Scholar and Healing (ignoring the dps aspect)

[Emitans]

Look the healers have changed stormblood have killed main and off healer roles


as a healer do your job and prevent and use ur kit to deal with the correct mechanic

if u dont have the correct kit for the current mechanic that what your healer partner is for to cover mechanics that you cannot deal with because you lack the require skills to deal with that mechanic

And if ur a sch spamming skills none stop and trying to solo heal... quit and reroll whm because ur playing a whm role

The point we're trying to make is that AST is better at SCH's role than SCH is. If SCH's job is to mitigate and AST does it better why bring a SCH?

[Lildragora]

What on earth.... whm dominates all healers soo hard right now.....

Whm HAVE got ultility ... did u forget about divine benision.... confession stacks....tetragramation... assize... divine benediction... thin air

The whm ultility is to provide more healing... when needed which dominates all the healers currently

But this is the forums where people complain without thought

"Cough" uproar about whm "cough"

when whm is the best healer in healing and damage

I wouldn't call over healing much utility. As it stands currently a lot of the WHM kit isn't needed for healing. It can be used to make the content easier for more DPS time but it is not what im referring to as raid utility. Sorry but AST brings more utility than both and its healing does need to be brought down in both aspects. WHM needs more things to either increase raid damage, or provide non healing support to the party. I gladly would give up protect as an example if it went to WHM simply because it would be another non heal reason to take a WHM; maybe even something that nullifies the next harmful status inflicted. For instance say you know a move is incoming that does a knockback, you could target whomever and give them a staus nullification and allow them to stay in place and not get pushed back and allowing for more dps, heal, or enmity generation or prevent someone from getting knocked off an edge.

If all healer comps are to be "viable" all the extra healing wont save you unless your stuck in progression parties or dont mind slower kills. Which is fine, all about player preference here. The point is they have healing out the butt but if all healers are viable then what is it really bringing?

[Yhisa]

So I'm guessing you haven't really played much since SB release, right?

Mitigation preventation
1)Sacred soil+ succor
2) adol+ deployment tactics
3) Succor + emergancy tactics
4) succor + idomitability

Split healing

1)embrace + physic
2)excogitation + fey union


this is all without whispering dawn
.. fey illumination,

Guess u never really paid attention to sch kit huh :P

[Emitans]

Mitigation preventation
1)Sacred soil+ succor
2) adol+ deployment tactics
3) Succor + emergancy tactics
4) succor + idomitability

Split healing

1)embrace + physic
2)excogitation + fey union


this is all without whispering dawn
.. fey illumination,

Guess u never really paid attention to sch kit huh :P

Sacred Soil is the weakest ability you have to spend aetherflow on. It's a waste.
Succor is incredibly expensive and only provides a 150 potency shield. That's one regen tick.
Adlo+Deployment tactics is really good.
Succor + Emergency Tactics is equal to a Medica. Except it costs more MP and relies on a cooldown, only 30 seconds, but still a cooldown.

Embrace is basically a HoT so I don't understand why this is supposed to be some unique Scholar healing utility. Heck, Physick is weaker than Cure I or Benefic I.

Excog is a mere 50 potency more than Lustrate, has a cooldown, and only triggers its healing on a condition. Fey Union is weak.

Overall Scholar is pretty undertuned.

[Yhisa]

Pretty much this. Plus you have to consider the lower cost of and instant cast time of Aspected Benefic. Just to dispel some confusion, the 140 potency on Aspected Benefic is the regen portion of the spell under Diurnal Sect. The base healing on this spell is 200 for Diurnal Sect and 230 for Nocturnal Sect. Either way Astrologian's have strong, better, cheaper shields than Scholars have.

Ughhh

Aspect benefic is 140 base... not 200 ... its 140 in noct sect lol

go back and redo ur math...

[Vilenya]

Ughhh

Aspect benefic is 140 base... not 200 ... its 140 in noct sect lol

go back and redo ur math...

Have you actually looked at the tooltip of the spell? What you are saying would make this spell worse than Aspected Helios, an AoE heal. I don't need to recheck my math because I know how to read a tooltip.

[Yhisa]

Ughhh

Aspect benefic is 140 base... not 200 ... its 140 in noct sect lol

go back and redo ur math...

ugh i hate using mobile on this .... but ignore that noct sect is 154 potency with noct 10% buff

people neglect that sch can boost there adoloquim with largress... fey illumination.... which is HUGE... se forgot to remove healing buff from fey ilpumination so sch have 40% heal buff

[Xaeth]

The base heal potency of Aspected benefic is 200. The 140 potency is the regen in the Diurnal Sect. In Nocturnal Sect, Aspected Benefic instead gets a 250% shield based on the base heal potency. Also, Nocturnal Sect buffs healing by 15%.
So all in all when not critting Aspected Benefic is stronger than Adlo by 205 potency and when critting, adlo is stronger by 95 potency.
With a crit chance of 10%, Aspected Benefic is about 175 potency stronger on average. For the spells to be equally strong, we need to crit 41 out of 60 times which corresponds to a crit chance of 68%.
Information on Aspected Benefic and Nocturnal Sect was taken from Square Enix's own jobguide on http://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/jobguide/astrologian/.

[Cynfael]

ugh i hate using mobile on this .... but ignore that noct sect is 154 potency with noct 10% buff

Please read your tooltips carefully before you keep hammering away with your incorrect numbers. Reading the past few pages has been painful.