pld got overbuffed but the drk feel nerfed to hell ...

[Xenosan]

Humpty Dumpty was top heavy too.

Wanted to add though that I disagree with the topic Title: that PLD was overbuffed. Mostly they got just exactly what they had needed + some more flavor utility - much of which was a long time coming (tho the ease in which they can ranged Fell Cleave, and combo potencies up.. again), but the same necessities/needs didn't happen with DRK/WAR.

There may be a little bleed-over with PLD's current state, but I think their condition should be a threshold to raise DRK and WAR to, not a situation where PLD needs to be nerfed down. Especially with tank damage being reduced all-around,

[Greil]

I think there is a lot of exagerations and bad faith about pld dps and general balance on the official forum, if you go check fflogs you'll see that pld dps is basically the same has drk, and war is slightly ahead of both of the others. (I even still see people saying pld have 30% more dps than war/drk...ridiculous)
If all you need to do is buff drk and war dps by something like 5% to come to a good balance, then you can't call pld "overbuff". And like Xenosan said, SE have a lot of space to buff tanks dmg if they want after the overall reduced tank dmg in SB.

Even if it's clearly not perfect, at least there's no tanks in the same state pld was at the start of 3.0, that's a good thing.

[SyzzleSpark]

Humpty Dumpty was top heavy too.

Wanted to add though that I disagree with the topic Title: that PLD was overbuffed. Mostly they got just exactly what they had needed + some more flavor utility - much of which was a long time coming (tho the ease in which they can ranged Fell Cleave, and combo potencies up.. again), but the same necessities/needs didn't happen with DRK/WAR.

There may be a little bleed-over with PLD's current state, but I think their condition should be a threshold to raise DRK and WAR to, not a situation where PLD needs to be nerfed down. Especially with tank damage being reduced all-around,

All of the new stuff from 60-70 was absolutely needed and fixed pretty much all of the problems with PLD. When I saw all these things from the media tour I was excited for them.

When I saw all the potency changes and recast time cuts, I kept thinking as I scrolled through the ability list "any time now I'm going to stop seeing higher numbers... surely the next tooltip won't be buffed... nope... +10 potency... +20 potency... +10 DoT potency... recast cut by 30s..."

I'm sure any WAR or DRK main that looked through these changes before looking at the changes to their own job were insanely let down. So much stuff was removed that the 60-70 stuff should have been *epicly* more powerful to make up for all those losses, but it really wasn't, and at best was a +/- 0/0 type of deal.

They did not need 10-20 potency added to literally every single weaponskill/DoT they had, or FoF's recast cut to 60 seconds. They also didn't lose a single damaging ability whereas WAR/DRK lost several and therefore were operating at a deficit at 60, whereas PLD still had everything.

Still, don't nerf, buff. Since all that stuff is here to say it shouldn't be surprising that DRK/WAR mains are asking for proper buffs to their DPS to even out the fact that they removed 90% of their raid utility and gave it to PLD instead.

[Eliroth-Kaminari]

Atm fflogs result is not real measure because all tanks stats all over place some parces use str acc some full fending. So when they do something about that fflogs results should be taken whit grain of salt.

[Age_of_Oblivion]

The order in which DRK acquires skills is horrific. It ought to get TBN at level 50, if you wanted to make gameplay better.

[qcslayer]

i saw many replies who said that pld isnt overbuffed but the drk and warrior only need a dps buff . to be honest i think a dmg buff to others tanks is not enough since the pld is by far the most solid tank and have WAY MORE utility than the two other jobs and from what i heard the dps isnt weak anymore

also i dont want the pld to be nerfed but i want to see the warrior and the drk getting some serious buffs

the new paladin is really awesome but when i play the drk or the warrior i get frustrated because i actually feel like the pld is 10 times stronger than them at every lvls

[Derio]

DRK defensive kit needs to be adjusted. However leveling DRK is not fun at all until lvl 68. And any dungeon under lvl 60 is a nightmare of boredom

[Conando]

You have the right of it. It can work fine with Paladin staying the way it is, they just need to buff drk and war. It makes no sense for the other two to do the same damage with much less utility, so buff up their damage. Or alternatively buff up drk's and at least return War's utility.

[SyzzleSpark]

Most DRK/WAR mains are simply asking for potency/percentage buffs to their DPS and in DRK's case, mitigation, instead of utility because this is what the devs are likely to respond to. Based on history, they are far more likely to buff our DPS and numbers than they are to reinstate old additional effects or add whole new effects/abilities mid-patch. Since our utility is likely to be set in stone the most reasonable thing to ask for is a (large) DPS buff.