Objectively, The Royal Managerie Will Be Nerfed

[LunaFaye]

I don't understand. Why would this fight get nerfed?

Because and that's not my personal opinion, but a most and good used argument when it comes to nerfing content, too much stuff going on during that fight. Again not my personal opinion because I don't think it needs a nerf, but having run this trial the last 2 days via roulette (I got my clear already prior so I didn't needed a clear before someone asks) was more of a nightmare then an actual satisfaction.

I tried explaining it to people, I put up markers later on, I even healed and raised the dead and wounded as RDM. I made a macro that plays a high annoying sound, indicating that the tail is priority, even a person with hearing problems would have heard that noise.

Sadly to say, people kept falling over the same mechanics over and over again, even so we have seen them prior throughout the fight already, people ignoring tail and chains. Running like chickens around during akh morn, or running to the opposite direction of the tidal wave.

Some people actually throughout the day failed the easy "click the button on your screen" mechanic during time maneuver, and then run right off the platform or being knocked off the platform after that. LB3's are constantly used to raise the whole party, instead of groups being able to use it for dmg, making the fight even longer, than it should be. etc.

Even with more gear this isn't to get easier, not that it's difficult to begin with, maybe in ilvl 800 you could stand in every mechanic but even that high of ilvl is not going to save you from being knocked off. Therefore it won't surprise me if that fights get nerfed to the ground, since it's making the gear vendor not being accessible to people that haven't cleared/finished the MSQ.

You know it somewhat reminds me of good ol T5 back in the day, but not for the difficulty, more about the mechanics. Remember how many people wiped already during the first 10 minutes and never saw the transition phase, or made it there then fell and wiped on twisters all night long. Lots of people haven't even now, years later with 100s of ilvl's higher and the possibility to unsync it cleared or even come close to it. Never fails to amaze me tho.

[AsahinaMyLove]

Just did that fight, wasted 1hour(30min wait time, 30min fight/wipes) and no clear... and have to say.... Why the darn a ->STORY<- fight have an uber ->SAVAGE<- mode fight?! /screams angry D:< This will just cause people stop playing and AGAIN: locked out behind content, cant do new stuff we got today, THANKS! ..cant even buy better gears with tomes ether lmfao! I Never played Savage mode in this game nor I want to. <-< they are making me toxic and salty to other people! If I want play a difficult cheap game that makes me crush a wall I play Dark Souls with my feets. <.< Nerf this crap at once! Story fights should be for ->CASUALS<- not Elitists! >->

[Katryn]

I finally got the chance to give this a go yesterday, and having done so I can see both sides. My bf and I got to 70, did ala mhigo (sp?), did our 70 job quests to make sure we had the artifact 290, and then in we went. We've gone through two groups now and have yet to successfully get a clear. We got the boss to 20% with group one, so beating him clearly isn't impossible. But since we are pugging the hour time limit and having to retrain new groups is going to be a pain.

We're not out of options, though. We still have accessories that could use materia, we could run ala mhigo until we have full 300 gear, we could push his crafts to 70 and make the best crafted gear possible. We can also keep trying the fight and improving our own knowledge of it once my internet connection to this game quits sucking (I've gotten a ridiculous number of disconnects the last couple days.)... I really like this fight and find it thrilling.

My bf, who is the one that's run primal ex's and savage, though, is like WTF?! :O He thinks this fight is stupid and an oversight by SE since there are people who only have so much time and having to get multiple groups in df before clearing is counter productive. He feels that if SE wants to make FC mandatory content and place it as part of the MSQ, that the whole MSQ should have that requirement (he feels this is unpuggable and needs a static).

Personally, once my net settles down, I'm gonna keep trying. I am getting better at the mechanics every time I do it, even with my crappy eyesight, and I will beat it eventually. I'm sure the bf will keep trying, too. I just feel kinda bummed that he isn't getting the 'this is epic!' feels from it--likely because he is frustrated it has blocked him from running for verity on his days off.

Anyway, wanted to make sure I came back and updated since I now have some actual experience. Congrats to those who've cleared, and good luck and don't give up to those who haven't.

[Lemuria]

Did you do your 70 job quest? Cuz it gives you i290 gear/weapon. They make it impossible to be undergeared in that fight lol. Maybe they need to make it a prereq to doing the final dungeon, having done your lvl 70 quest

I have yet to see it take more than 2 wipes in DF.

Um... that's great for you, but realistically there are a lot of people who are having trouble here. People who beat tough content can often be very jaded against those who haven't. I'm hearing a lot of defenders claiming 'it's easy', but it really isn't.

People spend so much time worrying about one attack that they miss out on others. There are multiple skills used in tandem, and it's easy to fall off the edge due to some mechanics which is an instant death. So, let's drop the 'it's easy' bull and look at it realistically.

Personally, I like the fight. It's a real pain in the ass MP wise though (I'm a WHM) since I'm having to cast Raise far more than necessary. Even the rather cheeky ones that say 'it's easy' seem to die to these seemingly easy to avoid mechanics, so you'll forgive me if I take similar comments with a grain of salt.

[Dualgunner]

Um... that's great for you, but realistically there are a lot of people who are having trouble here. People who beat tough content can often be very jaded against those who haven't. I'm hearing a lot of defenders claiming 'it's easy', but it really isn't.

People spend so much time worrying about one attack that they miss out on others. There are multiple skills used in tandem, and it's easy to fall off the edge due to some mechanics which is an instant death. So, let's drop the 'it's easy' bull and look at it realistically.

Personally, I like the fight. It's a real pain in the ass MP wise though (I'm a WHM) since I'm having to cast Raise far more than necessary. Even the rather cheeky ones that say 'it's easy' seem to die to these seemingly easy to avoid mechanics, so you'll forgive me if I take similar comments with a grain of salt.

Got any numbers to back up your claim?

[hynaku]

Having echo for it would be nice what also be nice if made it easer on healers and tanks so they didn't keep leaving and causing the party to be disbanded after hour long que time. Also might be easy for you because of low ping but there's a lot players out there with 200+ pings that don't have a easy time. Then also have those ddos attacks that's causing ones to lag bad and disconnect.

[Zhamkyong]

While i am at heading to work, can someone explain to me why this fight "needs" to be nerfed? There is much going on in the battle, that is true, but most of it is mechanics we have already seen along the 70 levels of the game with most of the Primals doing them, they are pretty common and nothing new by now.

Even if it is a Story fight... it's Shinryu (even if it is nerfec by Zenos influence) it's not supossed to be Thordan easy.

[Zefiris]

Yesterday roulette trial gave this in progress. Only had 1 people there and leave when I entered. Well, I also leave for closed that instance.
After roulette 70 gave Ala Mhigo with 2 new people. 1 wipe in last boss, but sucess in next attempt. I said "Thanks" and "Good luck in last trial" to 2 new people. Because they are going to need.

[Dsync]

My only real issue of feeling inclined to do this again is that you have to restart the whole boring first phase. Maybe if that gets completed then that could be a restart point if a group fails. Not like that bit's even difficult. Otherwise I just can't bring myself to do it again, unless someone I know needs it.

[Gaiussenpai]

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