MCH vs BRD (And why MCH need serious help)

[AmandaLashaquoa]

No one asked for it? Please, tell us more about it.
they fixed Flamethrower, so it won't interrupt anymore just cause our target moved an inch, so at least we have this buff.

I do not consider a bug fix, a buff.
I avoid use flamethrower cause we all know its shit and the only reason we ever use is if we screw up with Gauge, I'd rather do 5 hotshots than locking myself infront of a raid boss/trial ex.
Now BRD is EVEN better, Troubad. being applied to them IS unnecessary since MCH doesn't even have their DPS potential, its about balance; I've seen BRDs asking for it to apply to them, but every BRD knows that they're SUPPOSED to be weaker cause they are highly supportive, now they are WAY better than MCH in everyway;It won't take long for peoples to REFUSE to take MCHs into groups,regardless of how good you COULD have been in it;If my sentence is what bothers you so much about this subject, okay BRD did ask. But MCHs have been asking way more

[Farrell]

LOL. They just buffed BRD when no one even asked for it.
"FUCK MACHINISTS." - SE Team

Bugfixes this time. Balance issues next time when Savage drops. What is so hard to understand about that?

[poffo]

I really really hope we dont get any utility or group anything i want raw solo Damage like sam...big gun BIG Damage let bard bring utility dance and song to the party ill bring my big gun.

[Fannah]

Yes indeed we have asked more, I don't actually get what's going on in SE's mind, tbh. Maybe they don't want to just give more potency but look for another way to improve our dps mechanic :/ So they won't have to be like "ok we remove you some potency because we found some better system to improve your overall dmg". I hope it's kinda this.

[Berethos]

Now BRD is EVEN better, Troubad. being applied to them IS unnecessary since MCH doesn't even have their DPS potential, its about balance; I've seen BRDs asking for it to apply to them, but every BRD knows that they're SUPPOSED to be weaker cause they are highly supportive

A defensive cool down for the whole party is a bad cool down if it doesn't apply to the whole party - the Troubadour change was necessary.

Also, the "weaker due to being more supportive" should really apply to the offensive capabilities (and Bards do not benefit from either the 2% crit of the songs nor the buff from Battle Voice), not party-wide defensive abilities meant to protect the entire party.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

It won't take long for peoples to REFUSE to take MCHs into groups,regardless of how good you COULD have been in it

Oh you mean like in Gordias, then they were so desperate for them in Midas people were making their BRDs hurry and level MCH?

I'll be laughing just as hard this time too if anyone's foolish enough to refuse any job.

[Greedalox]

I avoid use flamethrower cause we all know its shit and the only reason we ever use is if we screw up with Gauge

This isn't true at all :x

It definitely has uses outside of getting you back up to 50 heat (Which isn't one of the reasons in the first place- you're better off using 1-2-3 +hotshot while avoiding Quick Reload to get your heat back up to 50)

[HyoMinPark]

LOL. They just buffed BRD when no one even asked for it.
"FUCK MACHINISTS." - SE Team

According to 4.01 they buffed BRD's damage up so it affects the BRD itself now instead of just allies....lol. Why? Now its single target damage will be even higher?

The Troubadour change was not a buff to a bard's DPS; our personal damage is unchanged by it, just as it was unchanged by it prior to the change. All it changes is the Troubadour effects of songs (reduced physical/magical vulnerability for Paeon/Minuet and increased Max HP for Mage's) affecting the bard singing the song. We still do not benefit from the 2% crit buff of our songs, nor BV. And this change was necessary because it was poor design for the skill to give everyone but the bard casting it additional protection/survivability.

Many bard mains expressed dismay of Troubadour not affecting them. I, too, thought it was a dumb design choice. I can live without the 2% crit buff and even the 15% buff from BV because my songs no longer decrease my personal damage by 10%, so it's a fair trade-off in my opinion.

MCH needs a lot of help. Everyone here is basically in agreement of that (some of us regardless of our personal opinion of the funness of the job). More changes are to come in 4.05, so MCH mains need to hope for the best two weeks from now.

[Shhikasan]

I love how people are going THE change aint a buff even thou its a buff as clear as day to anyone. Before they were not getting their dmg increase by their songs now they are getting the dmg increase ITS A DAM BUFF.

[HyoMinPark]

I love how people are going THE change aint a buff even thou its a buff as clear as day to anyone. Before they were not getting their dmg increase by their songs now they are getting the dmg increase ITS A DAM BUFF.

Troubadour does not augment damage. Please read the tooltip for the skill.

Troubadour gives added effects to the party depending on the song being sung:
Mage's Ballad: increased Maximum HP
Army's Paeon: Reduced physical vulnerability
Wander's Minuet: Reduced magical vulnerability

It DOES NOT affect the 2% crit buff (which BRDs never got and still do not get), nor does it affect Battle Voice.

Copied directly from the tooltip:

Adds an additional effect to the song currently being sung.
Mage's Ballad Effect: Increases maximum HP by 15%
Army's Paeon Effect: Reduces physical vulnerability by 10%
The Wanderer's Minuet Effect: Reduces magic vulnerability by 10%
Duration: 30s
Can only be executed while singing Mage's Ballad, Army's Paeon, or the Wanderer's Minuet.