And here it is I thought expansions where fun silly me

[Nyarlha]

But dps on the other hand literally need every source available,

This is not even remotely true. If you have MSQ/side quests available, you don't need to run every single roulette each day.
That you want to do them, alright, be my guest, but then don't complain that you need 5 hours every day to run everything.

As I stated, I leveled from 60 to 70 solely on MSQ/side quests without ever stepping foot in PVP either and only running 2 leveling and 2 trials roulettes.

[armandojc3]

Just a heads up, PVP exp is now tied to win or lose, so you get less exp if you lose. There goes the "fastest" leveling method.

How about square-enix allows us to use different party compositions and give them roles when the dungeon starts.

Like we are missing a TANK, well let us choose one DPS who will get 50% damage reduction, higher enmity and 50% dps reduction for the duration of the dungeon (a designated tank).

A healer could be replaced by a constant regen or a DPS could be given a healing SUMMON and a summon skill bar to manage it.

Let us choose when we queue for the duty finder if we want a classic party or a party like this.

[Avatre]

This is not even remotely true. If you have MSQ/side quests available, you don't need to run every single roulette each day.
That you want to do them, alright, be my guest, but then don't complain that you need 5 hours every day to run everything.

As I stated, I leveled from 60 to 70 solely on MSQ/side quests without ever stepping foot in PVP either and only running 2 leveling and 2 trials roulettes.

I understand what you're saying, but honestly, people that want to run the other roulettes at the same time probably don't want to do ALL the side quests on their main, and would rather save them for an alt when they aren't trying to rush and gear up so that their static can progress through savage(when it's out in two weeks) easily. They probably want to save the side quests for a time when they can read, and enjoy them. And rather have just the MSQ done(while still watching/reading everything during it) so that they can begin to gear(I know a few people who did it this way).

[MomoOG]

12 to 20 mins thats funny , maybe Im queing wrong or something cause certainly isnt taking 12 mins on a dps que more like 30 mins everytime for me thats including trial roulette which takes like 10 mins to do. The fact is before this expansion I never had to go out of my way to beg fc members to run a dungeon with me, nor did I ever consider paying just to go through a roulette both basically feel mandatory now. And the reason for being upset is SE new very well that people where gona be playing dps the most where are the alternative methods to level these jobs that naturally have a longer wait than the other two roles.They basically did nothing but give us pvp to accommodate, all Im sayin is they could of added content that would of allowed you to learn your jobs better than pvp after they stripped down the content. The new potd should of been ready from the very start of the expansion with having 9 dps jobs and if thats all people really want to play , I mean something other than pvp, let people whom enjoy pvp have their fun dont degrade the content just because you dont wana do anything about dungeon que times.

And they also failed by being inconsiderate expecting every tank and healer to just be ok with the changes that where made to these jobs, if xenos imo the best warrior I seen thinks warrior sucks and he loved warrior then how many other less dedicated players would drop the job as well. All Im saying is awareness would of been appreciated, knowing that dps would have long que times, and people wouldn't like all the healer and tank changes SE should of had alternative content for leveling to make it alot more fun.

Dunno what to tell you.Those be numbers I get. Even if it was 30 minutes, still wouldn't be bad at all. Short Queue times for tanks/healers relative to dps is a very nice incentive to get more people to play tanks/healers. If there was another equally quick option for dps to level than there would be even less tanks/healers. leveling in this game, including dps, is not bad at all compared to other mmos. Begging people or paying people? Wtf? Just relax a bit.

[Anarnee]

You know, while I agree roulettes are in a bad spot, I've leveled two DPS with no problem this expansion just doing the story and dungeons. I didn't do my roulettes unless I was tank or heal. Directly queueing for dungeons takes waaaay less time, so I just did the dungeons closest to my level.

[HyoMinPark]

I did the entirety of SB on Bard, a DPS, and shared most of my dungeon queues with a friend on RDM, another DPS. While roulette queues are an entirely different story, on Aether, most of my queues (solo and double DPS), were 20 minutes, 30 if we queued in at late-late night/early morning hours. Roulettes have longer queues because of the sheer number of people queued into them; and double-DPS was even longer than solo DPS. But we made do, and did other things in the meantime (trying to trigger Foxy Lady, hunts, worked on our crafters or gatherers, or, our favorite, stand at the MB trying to figure out glamours for our jobs).

Now I am leveling my third class to 70, still having done only the sidequests that gave Aether Currents, and I am only relying on directly queuing into dungeons and Hunts for EXP. Didn't stop me from getting RDM to 60 super quick (and I didn't spam PotD), and she's almost level 65 now. DPS queues have always been long, and with the addition of two highly desirable jobs added, of course they were only going to get longer. DPS mains have just learned to deal with it, and found ways to make use of our time we spend queuing. I maxed out both miner and botanist, have fisher to level 66, and my culinarian is almost 70 as well. Long queues are the life of a DPS. Make use of your time waiting.

[bswpayton]

Dunno what to tell you.Those be numbers I get. Even if it was 30 minutes, still wouldn't be bad at all. Short Queue times for tanks/healers relative to dps is a very nice incentive to get more people to play tanks/healers. If there was another equally quick option for dps to level than there would be even less tanks/healers. .

yes I have been offering 100k , 200k, id even do 300k for a dungeon run this was something Ive never had to do before sb, and less tanks and heals maybe a good thing at this point so they can stop messing with them and unbalancing them which is beside the point tho. I dont know about other mmos as I have always played more solo style mmos where relying on others wasnt really an issue, thats my draw to tanking even tho I love it in general but the fact that I pretty much can do as I please with gettin in and out of content excluding raids and trails of course.

But while trying to level a dps it just seems like I have to do so many things out of character to get to the same point as a dps , everyday Im literally askin fc memebers to please do a roullete with me and it sucks (feels bad man). Like I said I understand ques where never perfect for dps thats a given but the fact that SE added an eighth and ninth dps but yet didnt release new potd along with it is just a disservice to the community to me. Even if it wasnt palace at least give dps something they can do to level effectively while simultaneously allowing you to learn your job and that defiantly isnt pvp the current most effective way to level a dps.

[Felis]

Do MSQ to level up a DPS and dungeons to level up a tank or healer.
If the MSQ want you to clear a dungeon, switch to tank or healer, do the dungeon, and then switch back to DPS to continue with the MSQ

[Taika]

Leveling my 2nd DD job currently, the dungeon queues are generally 10-20 mins for me and both side quests and FATEs (especially exp boosted ones) give great exp. Can't complain.

[Laerune]

Sadly, I think this is something that is very difficult to change. DPS players have always been the most played role. MMORPG are still dealing with this issue, some have tried for ditching the holy trinity, but this has not worked for them. The only MMORPG where no roles would work is those with sandbox type of content and FFXIV is sadly not one of those.

- DPS outnumber the other roles, this is a fact that we can not change.

- DPS do not want to (and should not) be forced to play a role that they dont like.

- Tank and Healers have something that makes them less liked then DPS. This could be: that they are less flashy then the DPS classes? They have more responsibility then the other role? There might something in the core of the gameplay for Tanking and Healing that makes more players prefer to DPS? There are alot of reasons.

I do agree with you OP, that SE should have seen this comming and should have added better PvE (aside from FATES) content with low queue time for DPS or maybe they should have repeated what they did with Heavensward and released 1 tank, 1 healer and 1 dps class, because during Heavensward the first 2 months queueing as a dps went pretty fast. Another factor could also be how Healers and Tanks are not happy with the changes as a former Scholar, I have to say that they borked my class, which resulted in me playing a DPS which made me part of the group that have increased the queue for all other DPS players.

As of right now, we know that atleast untill 4.1, the fastest way to level from 60-70 (outside doing MSQ and Sidequests) is either with a Tank and Healer friend or to do PvP.