And here it is I thought expansions where fun silly me

[MomoOG]

I don't see the problem with leveling dps right now. The dungeon que takes like 10-20 m minutes and I get like 25-35% of a bar with each dungeon run. How is that too slow? You can be doing Hunts or Fates in between queues for exp too.

[Driavna]

It's just the most boring roulette ever and for the time invested you'd get more xp just doing the MSQ.

It's usually around 10m.

[Nyarlha]

Maybe, but as the main complaint from OP is queue time, why would you bother queuing for all these roulettes daily if you are not locked in your MSQ progression by a lack of xp?

That's the thing I don't get, why complain about the queues while you are queuing for totally unnecessary things?

[Avatre]

Maybe, but as the main complaint from OP is queue time, why would you bother queuing for all these roulettes daily if you are not locked in your MSQ progression by a lack of xp?

That's the thing I don't get, why complain about the queues while you are queuing for totally unnecessary things?

It's more for once you are done the MSQ, as then you have side quests which the level 64 ones give ~90k EXP per(didn't really done any side quests other than to unlock Aether Currents while doing MSQ), while the daily hunts give ~100k EXP per monster. I also did them to ensure that I was meeting those level requirements for some of the quests, as some of my FC members did have an issue where they were too low a level for the next story quest.

[Nyarlha]

It's more for once you are done the MSQ, as then you have side quests which the level 64 ones give ~90k EXP per(didn't really done any side quests other than to unlock Aether Currents while doing MSQ), while the daily hunts give ~100k EXP per monster. I also did them to ensure that I was meeting those level requirements for some of the quests, as some of my FC members did have an issue where they were too low a level for the next story quest.

Those FC members of yours may have totally skipped side quests then.
I had done every side quests up to the last settlement before the Lochs, only ran MSQ dungeons/trials each time each and only did 2 days worth of leveling/trial roulettes and I hit 70 without ever being below the level required for the MSQ. Roulettes are just not necessary for your first 70.

[bswpayton]

I don't see the problem with leveling dps right now. The dungeon que takes like 12-20 m minutes and I get like 25-30% of a bar with each dungeon run. How is that too slow?

12 to 20 mins thats funny , maybe Im queing wrong or something cause certainly isnt taking 12 mins on a dps que more like 30 mins everytime for me thats including trial roulette which takes like 10 mins to do. The fact is before this expansion I never had to go out of my way to beg fc members to run a dungeon with me, nor did I ever consider paying just to go through a roulette both basically feel mandatory now. And the reason for being upset is SE new very well that people where gona be playing dps the most where are the alternative methods to level these jobs that naturally have a longer wait than the other two roles.

They basically did nothing but give us pvp to accommodate, all Im sayin is they could of added content that would of allowed you to learn your jobs better than pvp after they stripped down the content. The new potd should of been ready from the very start of the expansion with having 9 dps jobs and if thats all people really want to play , I mean something other than pvp, let people whom enjoy pvp have their fun dont degrade the content just because you dont wana do anything about dungeon que times.

And they also failed by being inconsiderate expecting every tank and healer to just be ok with the changes that where made to these jobs, if xenos imo the best warrior I seen thinks warrior sucks and he loved warrior then how many other less dedicated players would drop the job as well. All Im saying is awareness would of been appreciated, knowing that dps would have long que times, and people wouldn't like all the healer and tank changes SE should of had alternative content for leveling to make it alot more fun.

[Nyarlha]

12 to 20 mins thats funny , maybe Im queing wrong or something cause certainly isnt taking 12 mins on a dps que more like 30 mins everytime for me thats including trial roulette which takes like 10 mins to do. The fact is before this expansion I never had to go out of my way to beg fc members to run a dungeon with me, nor did I ever consider paying just to go through a roulette both basically feel mandatory now. And the reason for being upset is SE new very well that people where gona be playing dps the most where are the alternative methods to level these jobs that naturally have a longer wait than the other two roles.

Once more : why do you feel doing these roulettes is mandatory to leveling your first job to 70?

[Isala]

Look, I get you, I really do. DPS queues are bad. But you know what? They're always bad. In every game. You take the role with the least responsibility, you get to wait behind all the other people who chose that role. It's a fact of MMOs. Unlike other MMOs, FFXIV gets that. That's why there's so many ways to level your class without long dungeon queues. There's FATEs, and PvP, and PotD, and quests. You can even take the route of making a PF to get a group together to run dungeons, if you really want to. And I say this as someone who leveled RDM as my first class to 70 in Stormblood. Yes, the queues were bad. But I'd made friends who had tanks, so when they were on, we dungeoned together. And when they wanted to level their DPS, I hopped on a tank for them. That's also an option. You have plenty of ways to deal with it. Complaining about it is the most futile one.

[bswpayton]

Once more : why do you feel doing these roulettes is mandatory to leveling your first job to 70?

Its not my first 70 I leveled my palidan to 70 before even finishing the msq way before actually. I just like to have each role to max level for content, and for a tank with it being 100 times easier to level why waste msq exp on a tank or healer for that matter or side quest exp they dont need it. But dps on the other hand literally need every source available, my post is about having fun in the expansion I'm fully aware that I could go into frontlines and do it 200 times and ill be level 70 is that enjoyable maybe to some but not to me.

I'm simply stating that leveling a dps seems more like a chore than it actually being entertaining , spamming frontlines is a means to an end not something that is entertaining to do , I prefer roulletes and extreme primals. Roulletes are the most used content in the game by the vast majority of players , I feel as tho there was a huge oversight on SE part. Leveling a dps with potd while boring it was still better than pvp is now, so why wasnt the new potd available on release knowing that 60 plus percent of your player base is a dps. Why would you add the most exp to the least played content in the game which is pvp (well outside of raids of course) thus ruining pvp for those whom love the content, and forcing players who never stepped foot into pvp to use it as a means of leveling. Its not mandatory to do all roullletes but roulletes all of them give the most exp per one run outside of pvp , so I dont understand where your gettin that they are worthless.


@Isala

Thats exactly what Im sayin most people whom prob have their dps to 70 had a friend that actually leveled with them, while yes people have run roulletes with me nobody is leveling with me. Once they are doing the level 67 dungeon nobody is gona want to come do the the level 61 or 63 dungeon especially not a tank, for what when they can get an insta que for the level 67 dungeon. I am a tank main I know that its so easy to level these roles that it could prob be done within three days time, Im just sayin that if you are a game desinger then why make the most played role suffer the most. The exp fates give is laughable Ive done fates and I usually do them, when im about 100 k away from leveling up thats about the only time they are good. And as far as potd where is the new one at, althought it would be boring Im pretty sure if implemented on day one of release to level dps I wouldnt be makin this post right now. But instead its not coming out for another two in a half months. This isnt smart when 60 percent of ur players are dps and you just nerf their leveling methods with the new patch updates to pvp this makes zero sense at all.

Sidequest isnt giving 500k exp, nor is anything in the msq at the same level so thats why, and also roulletes have variety that is where the most content in the game is. For dungeons you could end up in I dont know 100 different dungeons depending on where you land and for trials you could end up in 20 plus different trials. In pvp same boring field of glory over and over and over again, so no they arent mandatory but its going to be the place where you have the most variety and change of landscape to where you dont feel like your doing the same thing over and over again. And also I might add hard queing for the sb dungeons still take 30 mins as well so its not just the roulletes in general.

[armandojc3]

This is not new to MMOs.

During one of the WoW expansions I was actually selling instant queues in trade chat on my tank DK. Think it was Wrath. The random heroic dungeon dps queue was 45 mins minimum at the time.

im very low on gil, i think in gonna start doing this