PvP Rewards Now Tied to Win/Loss: Will There Be Endemic Cheating?

[Auteur]

The folks who demanded tiered rewards based off win/loss got their wish with 4.01, i.e. http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...duty-incentive, "Victories and losses will now award different amounts of EXP." Now we will see whether fears of widespread cheating/collusion/exploiting combined with general projected drop-off in interest in Frontlines leads to a net collapse of the PvP queues.

I think it helps the tiered rewards are only for XP, which dampens the incentive to cheat. If tomes were scaled based off win/loss too, I think there would be a much greater chance the Pandora's box gets opened (sync queues, FC collusion, match-fixing, win/loss schedules, etc.).

[HyperSMB]

How the hell are you going to coordinate 72 people across a datacenter to cheat for EXP?

No joke, but this is some tinfoil hat stuff going on.

No, the only thing that will happen is people who really want to level faster will FINALLY coordinate with their team and learn to get good. This will increase the overall PvP experience.

Before this I could go into PvP and dumpster 90% of the players because noone cared to learn or try. I expect that will change and we will finally see ACTUAL competition.

[Keridwyn]

I now feel even worse about being an Aether Twin Adder. Even with Freelancer on I always seem to be an Adder and well...*sigh*.

[Daralii]

How the hell are you going to coordinate 72 people across a datacenter to cheat for EXP?

No joke, but this is some tinfoil hat stuff going on.

No, the only thing that will happen is people who really want to level faster will FINALLY coordinate with their team and learn to get good. This will increase the overall PvP experience.

Before this I could go into PvP and dumpster 90% of the players because noone cared to learn or try. I expect thaat will change and we will finally see ACTUAL competition.

I suspect that the only change you'll see is longer queues as people go back to FATEs, PotD, and dungeons.

[Auteur]

How the hell are you going to coordinate 72 people across a datacenter to cheat for EXP?

Don't underestimate the capability of the NA player base, unfortunately it is rather notorious for engaging in endemic cheating in other games for ranked PvP (effectively the tiered reward modes). See TERA, Lineage 2 Olympiad, League boosting (pre-new match system), etc.

I think SE is testing out the FF14 player base by only tiering XP rewards. If XP tiering alone is enough of an incentive for some folks to engage in underhanded behavior, they probably won't try to tier rewards any again/any further.

[HyperSMB]

Don't underestimate the capability of the NA player base, unfortunately it is rather notorious for engaging in endemic cheating in other games for ranked PvP (effectively the tiered reward modes). See TERA, Lineage 2 Olympiad, League boosting (pre-new match system), etc.

I think SE is testing out the FF14 player base by only tiering XP rewards. If XP tiering alone is enough of an incentive for some folks to engage in underhanded behavior, they probably won't try to tier rewards any again/any further.

This isn't ranked PvP though. I still fail to see this being an issue. I imagine the worst you will see is FC's all changing to the same GC and attempting to sell wins.

[magnanimousCynic]

This isn't ranked PvP though. I still fail to see this being an issue. I imagine the worst you will see is FC's all changing to the same GC and attempting to sell wins.

You're forced to use freelancer if you're entering in PVP with a pre-made party, regardless if all party members are in the same GC.

At least I remember them making a change like that. I'd have to search through the older Patch Notes to find the exact change.

EDIT #1: found it!

Added in Patch 3.55a:

"Players will be matched irrespective of Grand Company requirements when registering for Frontline while in a party.

* Players will take part in Frontline as freelancers, regardless of whether or not they have checked the Frontline Freelancer option."

[Pence]

You're forced to use freelancer if you're entering in PVP with a pre-made party, regardless if all party members are in the same GC.

Correct, DF even says that if you're in a party you will automatically be queue'd as a freelancer.

[Dizhonor]

The very concept of a competitive match requires tiered rewards. As it was, experience was not tiered. Winners and losers received the same experience. That allowed abuse. Not simply the random AFK'er. But people ignoring mechanics and facerolling their keyboards to easy experience.

If people want big experience, now they have to pay attention to mechanics. Try to work as a team. If they fail, they get less. And that's perfectly fair.

As it pertains to the claim about potential cheating: that's a whole lot of effort for gains that could be had for less effort without cheating.

[Syrehn]

All I can say is... Thank f'ing god.

Maybe now the AFKer's, the game thrower's, and the pants on head retarded players will actually listen/try. Or better yet, not queue up at all.