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    Psycofang's Avatar
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    Void Fang
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    Goldsmith Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by EllieShadeflare View Post
    You... don't understand how Astral Fire works, do you? And I'm guessing you never use Thundercloud?
    481potency per (at current) 2.73s vs 270+300 in 1.87s + recast.

    Thunder 3 is 340 in 24s vs fleche is 420 per 25s
    -Thundercloud procs are random and should never be applied to static numbers otherwise we have to start using luck in metric measurements.
    But anyway 340+340 (at + 24s) so long as tc proc has time to run its course its 720p

    Corte is 300 per 45s

    420+300 is 720p

    RDM can match a thunder cloud proc at optimal usage every 50 seconds.

    Only thing RDM doesnt have a true answer for is foul (685p) vs RDMs holy/flare(550-605p (buffed)) not counting the full buffed and unbuffed combo with fleche and corte weaved.

    Foul literally carries blm static dps but its still falling behind due to lack of avaliable speed.
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    Elatus Shadeflare
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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycofang View Post
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    I'll address each point.

    491potency per (at current) 2.73s vs 270+300 in 1.87s + recast.


    When you put it like that, sure, it looks impressive for RDM, but remember, we get two casts every time you recast, due to it being a slight wait, as you trade consistency + mechanics for build up and big bursts. Black Mages can have a second Fire IV on the way, whilst Red Mages still wait to complete their spell.

    Thunder 3 is 340 in 24s vs fleche is 420 per 25s
    -Thundercloud procs are random and should never be applied to static numbers otherwise we have to start using luck in metric measurements.
    But anyway 340+340 (at + 24s) so long as tc proc has time to run its course its 720p
    Corte is 300 per 45s

    420+300 is 720p

    RDM can match a thunder cloud proc at optimal usage every 50 seconds.


    Okay, but your number for Thundercloud is entirely off, so that disqualifies your entire argument. The initial potency of Thunder III is 70. And tics occur every 3 seconds, causing a whopping 320 potency, so it's actually 390 potency when it proc's. 409.5 after you apply Enochian (which why aren't you?). While the proc chance is random, at 10% per tic, it's still a rather high chance, plus anyone worth their salt launches Thunder III using Sharpcast, for a confirmed Thundercloud, especially now that the Fire sharpcast meta is gone. This makes this more like 1139 (after both Thunderclouds, plus the second effect's full dot) instead of 720 like you claim.

    Only thing RDM doesnt have a true answer for is foul (685p) vs RDMs holy/flare(550-605p (buffed)) not counting the full buffed and unbuffed combo with fleche and corte weaved.

    Foul being an AoE and a 30s cooldown, versus that massive burst combo that Red Mage gets. Again, you get big tantrums of burst, versus the consistent death that BLM brings.

    Foul literally carries blm static dps but its still falling behind due to lack of avaliable speed


    BLM is just a consistent caster, but equally equipped RDMs and BLMs will make the same DPS, because of the RDM's tantrums and BLM's consistency.

    SMNs are somehow more consistent than Black Mages, but also more tantrummy than RDM, so they still have good potential too.
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    Last edited by EllieShadeflare; 07-04-2017 at 11:24 AM.