Machinist is arguably the biggest let down of a class/job ever to me

[Elnidfse]

Only if you do it by accident at the wrong time. It's a DPS gain if intentionally overheated during Wildfires 3-5-7-9+ or it's excellent to naturally overheat while AOEing trash packs and then using flamethrower to snapshot the bonus damage on the last second of Overheat which will then carry you all the way past the 10 second removal of GB.

And then there's obviously intentionally overheating before boss invulnerability or phase changes.

With the two bosses we have right now. That's not a good idea or possible. Goin hail mary on an overheat to squeeze out a tiny bit more damage before kill is a better idea, but you'd have to unsync your FT for that and/or setup a lineup that will allow you to deal damage at the end of your overheat before the boss dies or suffer a DPS loss.

[Greedalox]

With the two bosses we have right now. That's not a good idea or possible. Goin hail mary on an overheat to squeeze out a tiny bit more damage before kill is a better idea, but you'd have to unsync your FT for that and/or setup a lineup that will allow you to deal damage at the end of your overheat before the boss dies or suffer a DPS loss.

Works fine for me. Overheat if you have a Barrel Stabilizer that will be available in 20 seconds from the time of overheating.

Susano waits 12 days to make his sword available to hit- it's very possible to overheat before he goes invulnerable and be ready to Stabilizer the sword. Also after Lakshmi uses her ultimate- you're given just enough time to get a fully overheated Wildfire off on her before she Confuses everyone- and at that point your gauss barrel has just falllen off and is working on it's CD to put back on with BS.

The Flamethrower comment I made is a reference to Trash- not boss adds. It's completely fine to use it in dungeons with snapshotting the last second of an overheat for higher AOE damage.

[Elnidfse]

Works fine for me. Overheat if you have a Barrel Stabilizer that will be available in 20 seconds from the time of overheating.

Oh my. I didn't think you were talking about using BS. Ideally you would always use BS with an overheat. What I thought you were referring to was a raw overheat through a transition, which is a nono. That is why I mentioned the only time a raw overheat would ever be a good idea. Anyways I wouldn't BS his sword phase. In an optimal rotation you would BS in your opener and get 3 WFs followed by Rook Overdrive to transition. At the swords is two reloads, 6 quick reloads and gauss rounds That phase transition lasts just over a minute and an additional 10 seconds till target. This gives 21 seconds to overheat, 10 to cooldown, and then BS. If you BS at sword phase it delays recovery to potentially 20s ruining your dps. Which would put you out of Battle Litany and Trick Attack window.

Mathematically anyways.

[Kill3rkoi8082]

MCH is really fun to play IMO. Skill aesthetics gets flashy when you reach level 64 which I love. Though I do believe MCH does need a buff in damage. I feel like I fall behind when I'm just running a casual dungeon.

[Shhikasan]

its enjoyable to a point but the letdown is that flamethrower and overdrive are pretty shit skills 1 being your lvl 70 skill while other classes got something very useful and cool at 70. mch got shat on.

Also to point out a pld almost does better avg dmg than a mch. there is currently no reason to take a mch into a any group over most other dps and or another pld.

MCH needs very good buffs and couple of their skills need to be reworked outside that I don't find much issue with that class besides somewhat ugly guns from time to time

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Let's not go to the extremes of "there is currently no reason to take a mch into any group". There's currently little that we're absolutely incapable of doing at the moment, and while we need some retuning, we're far from unviable. I personally haven't had much issue keeping up with other DPS in the party (SAM and MNK being notable, obvious exceptions), or catching back up if I accidentally overheat, but I can only speak for myself there.

The raids aren't out yet, thus SE is still in a "wait and see" stance on things. In time, they'll see what needs to be seen and hopefully fix what needs to be fixed.

[SaintK]

Let's not go to the extremes of "there is currently no reason to take a mch into any group". There's currently little that we're absolutely incapable of doing at the moment, and while we need some retuning, we're far from unviable. I personally haven't had much issue keeping up with other DPS in the party (SAM and MNK being notable, obvious exceptions), or catching back up if I accidentally overheat, but I can only speak for myself there.

The raids aren't out yet, thus SE is still in a "wait and see" stance on things. In time, they'll see what needs to be seen and hopefully fix what needs to be fixed.

there is actually zero reason to bring a MCH over BRD. Any serious progression group will take BRD 100% of the time.

[Elnidfse]

The raids aren't out yet, thus SE is still in a "wait and see" stance on things. In time, they'll see what needs to be seen and hopefully fix what needs to be fixed.

I should remind you that the last time Yoshi gave us a "wait and see" response we had no PF slots for an entire raid tier and months later. Way into the expansion. And hey I'm not saying that's the wrong position to take. But you remember when GB used to be a DPS LOSS to put on. If you've been playing MCH since 3.x you should at least remember how many spots we had just waiting for us in A3S. (That being sarcasm).

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Oh I remember it very well. I remember all the "No MCH" PFs. I remember the fingerpointing from my own static/FC when it came to inability to clear things (which ironically was more on our MT's poor CD management/timing rather than any damage deficiencies MCH had then). . .

I also remember how when things changed, MCH was in high demand, but hard to find. I was one of perhaps two well geared endgame MCH at that time (and unfortunately the only capable, as the other was geared via paid clears) Call me petty, but it was nice to refuse the people who once tried to bar me from parties.

All that to say I'm not gonna suffer any "No MCH" nonsense right now, but if people want to overreact that way, I can wait. I remember what happened last time.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

there is actually zero reason to bring a MCH over BRD. Any serious progression group will take BRD 100% of the time.

Oh this again.

In that case any serious progression group should ONLY have a SAM/RDM/BRD/NIN. Sorry DRG/MCH/BLM/SMN/MNK, no Stormblood for you. Also progression for what exactly? Raids aren't out til tomorrow. Susano, Lakshmi, and Ex Roulettes are so hard, right?

Closed minded thinking aside, any serious progression group is gonna take whatever the hell works for them. I mean unless a terrible BRD is better than a skilled MCH or a RDM who barely knows the job is better than a BLM who knows their stuff 100% of the time.