I don't know how you scholar mains do it.

[LegoTechnic]

SCH's Cure II (700 potency) analog is Adloquium, which is a 300 potency heal with a 300 potency shield (600 pot shield on a crit). If you need the raw healing of Cure II, then you have Emergency Tactics to use it once every 30 seconds . If you are in a situation where you need to spam Cure II healing, then you have Fey Illumination and Largesse to supplement your Physick up to 520 potency for about 20 seconds (we will avoid discussing Dissipation but it is also an option). You also have three Lustrates a minute to supplement. It's not that SCH don't have options, it's just that it isn't as easy as Cure II spam, and this is fine, it's part of the class design to not just be WHM-clones. Also Fey Union is very useful for keeping tanks up in large dungeon pulls and gives you a considerable amount of time to let Aetherflow come off cooldown for your other supplements, so SCH gameplay has really become about staggering your ability cooldowns in series. And while I have issues with Fey Union, using it for this is actually pretty viable and fun.

AoE healing falls into the same category, and I stress SCH shouldn't want a Medica-clone because we aren't just copypasta WHMs. Currently we have Emergency Tactics that gives us Medica useable once every 30 seconds as well as Indomitability on the same timer which is a considerable amount of AoE healing. If Eos is out you also have Whispering Dawn for 21 seconds every 60, and Fey Covenant which one of the only magic mitigations available and somewhat effective on most boss AoE spams. These should be enough for most encounters unless you're single-healing newer content.

Excogitation is pretty flawed. It costs the same stack and heals 50 potency more than lustrate, but it's saddled with a full 60 second cooldown, and it appears as a buff that lasts 30 seconds and does nothing if not triggered. It's a neat mechanic idea but the implementation needs consideration due to its restrictions and cost. Excog is useable, and I go out of my way to use it, but there's no occasion currently where I couldn't just use Lustrate instead, and frankly there can't be either because that would make SCH required for the mechanic and they can't design busters that need excog to proc while WHM/AST have no such mechanics.

[LegoTechnic]

whatever makes you feel better... eos was one of a kind and the only thing sch was healing in Alex was in some minor situation to keep up with the main healer after unavoidable aoe dmg or tankbusters. please don't try to get in a fight with me about eos... you would lose – I played Sch in creator as well and know what eos was capable of their main task was dpsing being ready for an emergency – at the fact that sch can't do that anymore is the reason why so many are complaining bout the dot & fairy nerfs. truth is hurting I know : /

Eos was auto-regen on the tank. This means you didn't need to drop cleric to reapply, making it easier for your co-healer to tank heal since they had to drop clerics anyway. It's all quality of life. As a SCH you were still healing for AoEs and busters, and if you were smart you were main-healing during add phases while your partner DPSed with their far superior burst, but the class is supplemented by powerful ogcd abilities on cooldowns so this usually entailed popping Indomitiability or Emergency Tactics for AoE or healing the tank after getting your DoTs on and letting them do the work. SCH's strength in design is that it was simply easier for them to justify staying in Cleric Stance longer due to the nature of the kit and, in the fairy's particular case, being able to activate an AoE regen while still in Cleric Stance. This doesn't mean that WHM/AST couldn't do the exact same with their regen effects, but it wasn't as viable since they not only had to drop stance anyway to keep it up, but because their DPS kit was mostly spam attacks and their mana returns couldn't keep it up as well as SCH's low-cost ease of DoTs. Also, SCH just aren't as capable of healing recovery in dire emergency due to lack of poweful spam options, particularly with AoE, and their shield effects gave a reason to not care so much about overheal, so they solidified their "off-healer support" role in this way.

And none of that is true anymore. SCH was designed in a way where it could comfortably get around Cleric Stance a little easier than its comparisons but now that Cleric is not only gone but DPS actions have all been normalized between the three classes the only advantage they have is that their regen effect doesn't take a GCD to cast (though Rouse does, so Whispering Dawn can be considered to still need one). Eos has always been a powerful tool for healers looking to DPS, but she can only carry in situations where you outgear the instance or your healing partner is willing to shoulder the work, and they generally did this because of the three healers SCH had the most options to pop quickly while stance-dancing with its 9-12 second windows to apply DoTs and quick ogcd heal options.

[Neela]

thats more or less what i've said in a nutshell ^^'

[Starflake]

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Yes, Emergency Tactics is a thing, but it's a cooldown. It's not pure raw healing in the sense of WHM and it still has a gap. Also, Emergency Adlo heals for around 10k which isn't nearly as much as Benific II or Cure II. Fey Illumination and exclusive to a Pet. WHM and AST don't have this. Largesse is a void point to make as both AST and WHM have access to it and it scales much better on their raw potency heals. Disipation is also an option, but I think you get the point that Scholars have to work way harder to achieve the same thing, not even the same thing because outside of the raw healing that is better by WHM and AST, they also have access to better bubbles, assize, earthly star ... It's not even close.

I agree that SCH does not need extra aoe healing.
I agree with your remarks on Excog.

[Vyriah]

Because the class was designed to compliment the whm maybe. shields don't stack for one. Why limit your potential. Furthermore raiding is another ball of wax and the fairy never solo healed that. Never said the fairy was op to begin with. however, I will stick by my comments some scholar chose to let the fairy be the workhorse of the class and now they can't adjust.

Everything was broken in HW dungeon with their high Ilv gap. They're not a reference for balancing anything, outside dungeon.
And Ilv gap between SB dungeon have been reduced if I'm not mistaken.

"Bad SCH relying on Eos" only exist in E-penis battle about who got the best healer in 4.0. Wich I don't care about.
I'm a quite recent player, I didn't even clear Creator Savage and I give all your superior top raid player pro gamerz pins you want. But I want to have fun with my job, not being a 15% crit buff that sometime cast something else than broil 2.

[Feidam]

Everything was broken in HW dungeon with their high Ilv gap. They're not a reference for balancing anything, outside dungeon.
And Ilv gap between SB dungeon have been reduced if I'm not mistaken.

"Bad SCH relying on Eos" only exist in E-penis battle about who got the best healer in 4.0. Wich I don't care about.
I'm a quite recent player, I didn't even clear Creator Savage and I give all your superior top raid player pro gamerz pins you want. But I want to have fun with my job, not being a 15% crit buff that sometime cast something else than broil 2.

You want more than broil 2? how bout your two dots, energy drain, or shadow flare. they do exist you know. If you want more dps then that you will have to play a dps class. All healers have the same treatment in terms of dps. they cast like 3 spells average now for dps.

[Starflake]

You want more than broil 2? how bout your two dots, energy drain, or shadow flare. they do exist you know. If you want more dps then that you will have to play a dps class. All healers have the same treatment in terms of dps. they cast like 3 spells average now for dps.

White Mage has two very strong dots, one aoe dot that has no diminishing returns. It has assize as well and a fantastic holy spell. AST has one dot less and a less potent Malific III and Earthly star. but has Balance and all sorts of utility to add to raid DPS. It also has Gravity. Scholars on the other hand have two pretty weak dots to Bane, a nerfed Shadow flare and ... Energy drain. That is some serious DPS potential right there for Scholar. It's incredibly weak. But pretty much in the AoE department where it clearly needs some love.

[Feidam]

White Mage has two very strong dots, one aoe dots that has no diminishing returns. It has assize as well and a fantastic holy spell. AST has one dot less and a less potent Malific III but has Balance and all sorts of utility to add to raid DPS. It also has Gravity.

Never said white mage didn't have more overall dps. The previous person mentioned casting more than broil 2 and there are options. The amount of whining over the loss of dps skills is getting old. you have buttons to press with dps may not be what you used to have but they are there. As for Gravity it will chew the astrologians mana up super quick. The fact is if you want the dps healer move over to white mage. It's the dps healer now. Wouldn't I be upset if they reverted the bane nerf, hell no. But I'm also not going pretend like you don't use more than just broil 2.

Some folks just seem to on this crusade to regain/buff scholar to X. When buffing scholar might not be the answer. Bring the offending skills/classes out of the rafters first.

[shadowrell_d-_-b]

you love what you love, I for one will main sch no matter what, I do honestly believe we aren't god awful though, we just didn't need the nerfs they gave us. the HW expac gave us many great tools and really solidified our kit, stormblood on the other hand has taken alot of our synergy away while giving us almost nothing to compensate for it. its actually confusing what the Dev's had in mind with some of the skills we got this expac even the best addition chain stratagem is a weird addition, althought bringing more utility to a group is definitely wanted it seems more a dps class ability, and aside from chain the rest of our Stormblood kit is either situational beyond use or just plain wonky and inefficient to use regularly.

Sch doesn't suck, a good sch can still handle any fight on the game, its just extremely clunky now and at times a bit annoying, add the fact that 9 times out of ten my biggest class addition this expac (the fairy gauge) will just sit at 100 for the duration of a fight because its just not very useful and you get a class that just need a lil more love!

[Starflake]

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I also never claimed that you said such a thing. You can stop fabricating things as an argument. But comparisons between healers are necessary to see how they fare against each other. The amount of whining will continue until the fix our atrocious aoe DPS. And rightfully so! You can Gravity spam a lot before running out of MP. I have never had MP issues. You also have Earthly Star now, which is even more AoE DPS. Holy and Assize and Aero III is an insane amount of DPS. Our nerfed Bane and nerfed Shadow Flare don't come close. So with all three healers having all comparable ST DPS with WHM being the highest (which is fine), it's not acceptable for Scholar to be so far behind.
Nobody also claimed that we should be higher than WHM, we shouldn't be, but we should a closer than we are now.

Buffing Scholar is definitely needed. The AoE damge is incredibly low. The raw healing is incredibly low.