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  1. #191
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    Aescwhisky's Avatar
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    Aesc Whisky
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    Leviathan
    Main Class
    Astrologian Lv 70
    As an AST my dps basically sucks but if the tank is good dps are 75% or better with no party aoe's coming and I have no mana worries I will happily toss some dps out. If you are pulling the dungeon in one pull between bosses then Earthly Star might be all you see and me hoping for a server tick or two for mana while not using it.
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  2. #192
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    Dsync's Avatar
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    Character
    Entity Entatas
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    Phoenix
    Main Class
    Conjurer Lv 62
    I've not had an issue with dpsing in any of the new dungeons as healer. I've also had a decent amount in DF (when I'm on DRG) who do a good amount of damage. No complaints heard. The Tank in my last group pretty much pulled what they could, and the healer kept on top of it while dishing out damage.
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  3. #193
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    Lumidus's Avatar
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    Gridania
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    Character
    Lumina Saita
    World
    Sargatanas
    Main Class
    Goldsmith Lv 70
    When I play with randoms, I judge by the first pull. If tank is fine and dps is too slow, I'll help. If people are getting hit left and right, I'll heal more
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  4. #194
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    Kaedan's Avatar
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    Kaedan Burkhardt
    World
    Atomos
    Main Class
    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    There are some healers that would prefer to DPS over actually keeping the tank and other players alive. I've had several dungeons where I'm using cooldowns properly and using as much self sustain as I can but I still die because the healer isn't paying attention and is far too focused on DPS.

    You shouldn't project dislike towards people not doing their job as a general negative view towards all dps healers.
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  5. #195
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    LalafellDown's Avatar
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    Character
    Ultima Ultima
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    Tonberry
    Main Class
    Dark Knight Lv 100
    I love DPS'ing healers. Always COMM them.
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  6. #196
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    Thunda_Cat_SMASH's Avatar
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    Sylvana Tenebri
    World
    Malboro
    Main Class
    Marauder Lv 79
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaedan View Post
    You shouldn't project dislike towards people not doing their job as a general negative view towards all dps healers.
    I don't!

    Only to PUGs I don't know, not when it's someone I queue up with.
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  7. 07-03-2017 02:04 PM

  8. #197
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    Ssmiley_Bjakkzz's Avatar
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    Character
    Vee Oh
    World
    Ragnarok
    Main Class
    Marauder Lv 22
    Hellluuuuuu
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    Last edited by Ssmiley_Bjakkzz; 09-01-2018 at 07:43 PM.

  9. #198
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    odette's Avatar
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    Gridania
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    Character
    Kaoru Okada
    World
    Hyperion
    Main Class
    Rogue Lv 90
    people need understand that healer main job is healing, dps is opcional, if you want do dps ok, else is ok too.
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  10. #199
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    KisaiTenshi's Avatar
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    Character
    Kisa Kisa
    World
    Excalibur
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Claire_Pendragon View Post
    I used to not have issues with tanks using CDs, but lately with SB, they sure as heck wont keep up CDs.
    Even if im only healing, and they are full HP, the period of time it takes to cast a cure spell, they die if mobs crit them.
    They take waaaaay too much dmg.
    (plus a lot of them are standing in AoEs, as they dont wanna dodge them, which pretty much is impossible to heal them through with enough mobs)
    In defense of standing in AOE's, sometimes you can't move. Hence always cleanse paralyze/heavy debuffs. This happens to healers too. eg you go to use Holy and then suddenly you have 6 overlapping AOE's and nowhere to go if the Holy stun comes too late. This is why I don't spam Holy, I usually use it once, cast Assize, Aero III, Maybe Aero II, cast regen on the tank, and then try a second Holy if the mobs still have half their HP by that.

    When playing Tank, Cone and Line AOE's can typically be avoided by running towards the boss/mob if not canceled with shield bash or another stun action by someone else. It's the circle AOE's that are hard to avoid, and the non-telegraphed hits.

    Speaking of things to learn as a Tank. When you play healer, you generally aren't looking at what the boss/mob is casting, just the AOE on the floor. As a Tank you need to know what every AOE does and if you should try to cancel it. First time I did Amdapor Keep as tank I remembered about floor AOE's from Healing, but never actually recalled the Repel move because tanks tended to avoid it, or the wall died before it ever did it. So the first time I tanked that I was doing fine and then got hit by Repel and went flying off the edge. Y'know just as the demon wall dies. Second time I remembered about it.

    But since SB's release it seems like healers are ripping hate from the tank way too easily, and I've seen a few cases where I hear a "whoosh" noise and then all the mobs head towards the healer, and I'm not sure what they're doing, but it's incredibly annoying to have all the mobs hate and then suddenly the entire enmity list goes green because something the healer did, and flash will not get them back. Only Provoke does and that has a cooldown that won't work for getting multiple enemies back. So Ultimatum (basically an AOE Provoke) works on that, once.
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  11. #200
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    Taika's Avatar
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    Character
    Purple Rain
    World
    Sophia
    Main Class
    Arcanist Lv 32
    Quote Originally Posted by Aescwhisky View Post
    As an AST my dps basically sucks
    How do you define "sucks"? In expert today I was doing over 1k average (for the whole run) DPS (Kugane castle) on my i302 AST. That's more than 1/3 of what our two DDs did on average and I would consider it a decent contribution. And I wasn't even pushing it at all but playing it safe, since I figured the tank was a first timer, and I wasn't playing as well as I could have (was for example neglecting Earthly Star a lot).

    Quote Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi View Post
    When you play healer, you generally aren't looking at what the boss/mob is casting, just the AOE on the floor.
    For healers it's probably the most important of all the classes that you're always looking what the mobs are casting. That's what the focus target function is for. If you don't know what the enemies are casting, you can't pre-emptively heal, and healer gameplay is all about pre-emptive healing.
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    Last edited by Taika; 07-03-2017 at 06:42 PM.

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