Thanks for ruining Mateus, SE.

[SilvaSun]

The basketball example only makes sense in the paid gym sense. What if you go into a sports shop and buy 30 basketballs. You have the money, you buy them. Person comes in after you and notices you with all the basketballs and throws a tantrum about how you took all the balls and says you should give them up. They bought the basketballs fair and square, they should get to keep them. Just because you pay a subscription doesn't entitle you to a house, just as them paying a sub doesn't entitle them to all the houses. What it comes down to is availability and gil. They had the gil, the plots were open. Is it selfish? Probably. They have those houses though, and it should stay that way unless SE makes a formal statement about it.

[Hasrat]

While I don't agree with one person owning that many it is fairly clear Mateus natives knew about them and didn't care. What they didn't expect were all the sudden free transfers from Balmung quickly buying up housing (including some with the intent to flip). Personally cannot imagine waiting so long to buy a house, it has always been scarce on Coeurl excepting smalls in the Goblet.

Who actually didn't expect Balmung transfers to buy houses? Everybody knows most players on Balmung can't buy housing, and we all know how empty our wards were. It was basically one of the unwritten incentives to get people to transfer. It's the big thing everybody pointed out when Balmung complained about housing.

[Ahzarhuuk]

I feel the need to correct this because this is an incredibly misleading statement that I believe was not elaborated on

Okay

Now factor in buying power that the server would have with so few people in it and with the things that are being sold being so exorbitantly expensive.

Guess people must have been hitting their Challenge logs Hardcore.

[Magic-Mal]

The basketball example only makes sense in the paid gym sense. What if you go into a sports shop and buy 30 basketballs. You have the money, you buy them. Person comes in after you and notices you with all the basketballs and throws a tantrum about how you took all the balls and says you should give them up. They bought the basketballs fair and square, they should get to keep them. Just because you pay a subscription doesn't entitle you to a house, just as them paying a sub doesn't entitle them to all the houses. What it comes down to is availability and gil. They had the gil, the plots were open. Is it selfish? Probably. They have those houses though, and it should stay that way unless SE makes a formal statement about it.

You completely missed her point. It's about people asking if they can have one and the person with 30 politely shares because they have 30/all and others have none.

They aren't required by law to relinquish the houses. It's courtesy and ethics now. Is it legal to own them all? Yeah. But there's this little thing called generosity that people are seeking...

[Nixxe]

I feel the need to correct this because this is an incredibly misleading statement that I believe was not elaborated on. It was only the first house on our alts that was done by Palace drops. I don't think you have a concept of how empty Mateus was and how little there was on the market despite there being demand for it. On Mateus at the time, before 50-100 was released and it crashed the market, Tier V materia was selling for 300-500k each, so you really only needed a few lucky drops.

I've seen a lot of transfers from Balmung and Gilgamesh come to Mateus and have sticker shock even now that the markets have deflated slightly. Our Ironworks pieces were still 1-2mil a month ago, for example. That 100 million gil you came to Mateus with? On this server right now it's probably only worth the equivalent of 30 due to the high costs of items. Four months ago it would be about 10. Inflation.

Edit: Just as an example, Nightmare Pegasus Whistles were 30 million until very recently (they're 20 million now); Fiend Saps were 7-10 million each because we have so few people running the content.

It's funny because increasing the gil cap is meant to be an incentive, but in fact, transferring from Balmung to anywhere is precisely when you want to convert all of your gil into items to resell on your destination server, as it's the only way to not severely depreciate your net worth. 1,000,000 gil on Balmung is worth far more than 1,000,000 gil on any other server.

[Harmonea]

Guess people must have been hitting their Challenge logs Hardcore.

While I can't really speak for how the gil got injected into the general economy in the first place, we earned every bit of it legitimately.

Come on. We've been reported by at least a dozen people by now, if everyone who said they were going to do so did so. Owning multiple homes isn't against any rules, but obtaining them through shady means is. So surely we've been investigated. Don't you think if there had been any shadiness about what we did, they would've found it by now?

As for theories? I suspect a great deal of it was left behind by transfers buying items to resell on their destination servers as they left Mateus. Because most people hated Mateus and would do anything to jump ship to Balmung, Gilgamesh, Leviathan, etc. - so they left progressively more and more gil in the hands of fewer and fewer people.

Eta: People seem super concerned we're going to flip plots for profit, too. I've already had some offers, and I've turned them down stating it's against TOS to engage in that behavior. Would-be buyers trying to trap us into wrongdoing will find nothing in us.

[ToasterMan]

But I would never.
Ever.
Sit there and tell someone that the way they decorated their house was bad, and that they're better off not having it because I could do better than them.
.

That's not what people are saying. We just weren't particularly impressed.

[Hikuras]

I'm glad those two did what they did... cause one of two things will happen. Either people scream at SE to take those house from them or that server gets empty again as people bolt from there seeing as two selfish as hell people took over. Either or it's a win in my book. Tho it'll be funny that THIS is the action that pushes SE to make the ONE house per account rule.

[Magic-Mal]

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All of this aside... So Seraph and Cyril, would either of you mind allowing other players to buy at least 25 of your houses? This is what matters.

[SilvaSun]

You completely missed her point. It's about people asking if they can have one and the person with 30 politely shares because they have 30/all and others have none.

They aren't required by law to relinquish the houses. It's courtesy and ethics now. Is it legal to own them all? Yeah. But there's this little thing called generosity that people are seeking...

I'm not an expert...but that sounds like altruism...