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    I honestly hope that fordola gets a redemption arc, I thought she written awfully in 4.0. I was expecting complex questions regarding the good of the garlean empire and what we got was a monster blindly following the madman zenos
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lambdafish View Post
    I honestly hope that fordola gets a redemption arc, I thought she written awfully in 4.0. I was expecting complex questions regarding the good of the garlean empire and what we got was a monster blindly following the madman zenos
    She's probably Conrad's granddaughter and/or the girl that old Yda saved. Maybe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lambdafish View Post
    I honestly hope that fordola gets a redemption arc, I thought she written awfully in 4.0. I was expecting complex questions regarding the good of the garlean empire and what we got was a monster blindly following the madman zenos
    You gotta take it in the larger context. Her and her Skulls were raised to their positions while Gaius was still the power in Ala Mhigo. Once Gaius was out of the way, Zenos took over. Gaius was all about merit and work, so Fordola, working under the auspices of Gaius, worked her ass off to show that Ala Mhigans weren't just some backwards savage people, but in fact could do just as well as any other imperial citizen. Gaius would have approved, and he probably did (hence Fordola rem Lupis). Then along came Zenos, who cares not for any high-minded ideal. All he wants is to feel something, anything, and he does so enjoy watching lesser beings squirm. So he took Fordola, molded under Baelsar's rather noble ideology of "prove yourself via honest effort" and twisted her until he broke her.

    It was all quite well done imo.

    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    I mean, heck, there's a Garlean soldier who is killed by Alisae for striking the Warrior of Light when ambushed. We see through the Echo that same soldier happened to be the one who gave Yotsuyu a chance at a decent education and rescued her from a highly abusive family. Clearly he wasn't a bad guy at all and yet he was cut down as easily as Meffrid was.
    I did *not* see it that way. Given Yotsuyu's own admission of spending a good chunk of her life in abusive relationships, up to and including life in a brothel, I don't think the "education" this soldier offered her was of the academic sort. Good for her in the sense that she eventually came to exert power over her own life (in a sadistic, megalomaniacal sort of way), but also bad for her on account of what was probably a long period suffering a variety of abuses. In short, I don't think the soldier in question was all that altruistic when it came to Yotsuyu. Besides, he was in the process of actively trying to kill the WoL. In war it's kill or be killed, and all that matters afterwards is who is still alive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quor View Post
    In short, I don't think the soldier in question was all that altruistic when it came to Yotsuyu. Besides, he was in the process of actively trying to kill the WoL. In war it's kill or be killed, and all that matters afterwards is who is still alive.
    Personally I took this scene as her turning point towards hating domans, her own people treat her like a slave and her brother was the one who came up with the idea that she should be sold off, the soldier in this scene offered to have her educated but they never implied he was the one that sold her or anything, if anything it shows why she sided with the garleans. They offered her a future, her family did not. Plus the soldier himself implied he held some sort of regard for her well being.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lambdafish View Post
    I honestly hope that fordola gets a redemption arc, I thought she written awfully in 4.0. I was expecting complex questions regarding the good of the garlean empire and what we got was a monster blindly following the madman zenos
    To be fair, she does explain why she did what she did. I don't agree with her, but I can see why she thought that way. She (along with many others) thought that the Garleans could simply not be beaten, and doing what they had to do to prove themselves as equals was the only way that Ala Mhigo could ever have some measure of "freedom" again. That is why she was so strongly against the Resistance, because it would sully them in the eyes of the empire, and never let them attain "equals" status. She was, in her own way, doing what she thought she had to do for her people. It just happens that her reasoning was flawed. She didn't enjoy it the way Zenos did, she clearly disliked having to kill her own people. After we beat Zenos, it seemed like she was in shock. She had obviously thought it would've never been possible to beat the empire. I could see a redemption arc for her but it would have to be done VERY well to be convincing. No sudden heel face turns.

    A stark contrast to Yutsuyo, who simply wanted revenge for the abuse she suffered as a child and a young adult, by inflicting suffering on her own people. Yutsuyo was more tragic too, the type of abuse she suffered does turn people into monsters in real life as well. It doesn't make anything she did right, but she was suffering BADLY from PTSD and needed mental help.
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    Last edited by Saerydoth; 07-02-2017 at 02:25 AM.