Plenary Indulgence issues and how to fix them

[Lunari4]

SE really dropped the ball with WHM. Not sure what's going on but the 60-70 skills are a joke. The lily system sucks, the traits suck, Stone 4 sucks, Plenary Indulgence sucks, the mechanics suck... and don't even get me started on Divine Benison, that sorry excuse for a skill. It's like they have never even played WHM before.

[Rita1989]

SE really dropped the ball with WHM. Not sure what's going on but the 60-70 skills are a joke. The lily system sucks, the traits suck, Stone 4 sucks, Plenary Indulgence sucks, the mechanics suck... and don't even get me started on Divine Benison, that sorry excuse for a skill. It's like they have never even played WHM before.

WHM is actually pretty good Plenary Indulgence aside we basically have unlimited MP now and Divine Benison is great not sure what your talking about and Thin Air is OP, Stone 4 is basically the same upgrade we got from stone 2-3 and lily system is not that bad.

[Lunari4]

Stone potency:
140 > 200 > 210 > 250
A whole 10 potency for t3.
Another stone upgrade was pointless, should have just changed the T3.

Divine Benison is TRASH. Don't even try to sugarcoat it. It drains all lilies for no additional effect, only lasts 15 sec, 30 sec cd, no visual so it's boring to use, a waste of what should be a "cool new skill" since it's in-essence just a reskin of a level 34 ability with more restrictions on a job that is already lacking abilities. At least Stoneskin looked cool and could be cast on random people.

Plenary Indulgence: RNG based heal, what every MMO healer wants.
Also let's implement an underwhelming job mechanic that you wont even see until lv52, then create an unnecessary, convoluted heal that completely dissembled their design aim for making it easier to manage and visualize things like stacks.

Dmg and utility compared to other healers seems lacking, especially when nobody needs healing and all you can do is throw rocks and hot air.

[BigRed5392]

"feedback"

play it at 70 then give feedback. that is exactly what yoshida stated.

[Rita1989]

Stone potency:
140 > 200 > 210 > 250

Divine Benison is TRASH. Don't even try to sugarcoat it. It drains all lilies for no additional effect, only lasts 15 sec, 30 sec cd, no visual so it's boring to use, a waste of what should be a "cool new skill" since it's in-essence just a reskin of a level 34 ability with more restrictions on a job that is already lacking abilities. At least Stoneskin looked cool and could be cast on random people.



Dmg and utility compared to other healers seems lacking, especially when nobody needs healing and all you can do is throw rocks and hot air.

Stone II was 170 potency before SB so it was 140>170>210>250

white mage damage has always been the highest between the healers and now that we have no mp issues and can use Assize way more frequently we are going to be the best DPS healer, Divine Benison is OGCD which makes in much better then Stoneskin ever was

[Faliandra]

Divine Benison is TRASH. Don't even try to sugarcoat it. It drains all lilies for no additional effect, only lasts 15 sec, 30 sec cd, no visual so it's boring to use, a waste of what should be a "cool new skill" since it's in-essence just a reskin of a level 34 ability with more restrictions on a job that is already lacking abilities. At least Stoneskin looked cool and could be cast on random people.

And thats why you use it when you ONLY have ONE lily. I agree it should get stronger with more lilies but for now,theres no problem with simply only using it when you have 1 lily.

Quick buff up for your tank? Cure II > Regen > Divine Benison. its instant, its oGCD. I actually use it a lot. Stoneskin I never really used inside battles (maybe if someone had the weakness debuff in a11s and needed a shield to survive the next AoEs...or to shield the OT during G-100....). So its not really garbage.



Other than that I agree that 20% proc chance on plenary indulgence is way too low.
As a vivid DPS healer I would love the idea of easily generating those confession stacks so I can dps and just "pull the trigger" for a nice back-up heal while I keep on dpsing...but even if I spam a few Cure IIs (I kinda did it for a while to test how likely the proc is to happen) I may at best get 1 stack if im lucky. And oh boy,it does drain my MP. Not worth it.

[Leigaon]

I think what you've suggested is a wonderful trade off. First you get the 100% proc and the others will have a lower %. So you still get the move, but you aren't making it 100% on everything, at the same time you're raising that % by adding in other heals besides Cure / Cure II to the mix.

I think we will see an update to the WHM system soon, I am already geared up and trying to take it to 70 along with SCH, I have no gripes about it yet I just notice the very thin line of when a Lily will proc, and regen / medicas are just as much on our skill set as Cure / Cure II.

I also agree with the DB, make it scale to the lilies you have or let it only use one. That's one move that won't be a huge benefit to the % reduction. Though I guess if you're able to generate more lilies the 6 second reduction could easily add up. I think one feeds the other. Can't wait to get some time over the holiday to really run with my healers. Been having too much fun tanking.

[Ayer2015]

SE really dropped the ball with WHM. Not sure what's going on but the 60-70 skills are a joke. The lily system sucks, the traits suck, Stone 4 sucks, Plenary Indulgence sucks, the mechanics suck... and don't even get me started on Divine Benison, that sorry excuse for a skill. It's like they have never even played WHM before.

Everything you are complaining about I like. Only Confession stacks need some work imo. The skill Plenary Indulgence itself s fine.

[KDSilver]

SE really dropped the ball with WHM. Not sure what's going on but the 60-70 skills are a joke. The lily system sucks, the traits suck, Stone 4 sucks, Plenary Indulgence sucks, the mechanics suck... and don't even get me started on Divine Benison, that sorry excuse for a skill. It's like they have never even played WHM before.

And you suck too right?
Stone IV sucks, lol... thin air ? Divine benision is better than stoneskin.

[Lunari4]

And you suck too right?
Stone IV sucks, lol... thin air ? Divine benision is better than stoneskin.

What I'm saying is they should have just made stone 3 stronger instead of giving us a t4 version. With the combining of skill tiers, they removed the slow from stone 1 and now we have to waste a role slot just to take a slow instead of it being in our kit for free. They also took a little damage by removing one of our aero stacks (I hear they did that with other healers too) and then more or less gave that damage back with the addition of stone 4. That's not so bad in itself, I didn't like having to throw 3 dots all the time that were all GCDs but I still would have rather gotten an entirely new ability instead of stone 4. Thin Air is probably the best ability we gained in the update and tbh the only uses I can get out of it is holy spam or free rez, which I've got no problem with. It just feels like they rushed whm changes tho.

I still think DB should only use 1 lily and have 3 charges which each take 20 seconds to recover.