Criticism on Stormblood's Monk

[TheRedMage]

Is Steel Peak completely pointless and/or useless now? I can't come up with a reason to put it in a rotation or even keep it on the hotbar. Am I missing something?

As near as I can figure...leaving it there as a form-independent instant 150 atk with 40s cooldown is maybe supposed to be the replacement for haymaker? Haymaker was much better for solo play because it had no cooldown; you could use it whenever you dodged an attack, and you'd get a bunch of dodges with featherfoot or against low level mobs and you could spam it. I mean you still didn't really need to use it, but at least it made sense. This new steel peak with 40s cooldown just seems pointless to me.

It's free 150 pot attack and you should use it whenever it's ready, it's very much useful. Just not as good as it used to be.

[LazyWings]

Is Steel Peak completely pointless and/or useless now? I can't come up with a reason to put it in a rotation or even keep it on the hotbar. Am I missing something?

Steel Peak is an OGCD - it has its own independent cooldown. You're supposed to use it between the GCD (shared cooldown) attacks, not instead of. Look at some rotations or something online to see how people use it. As a monk you should be doing 1 GCD (e.g. bootshine, true strike, snap punch etc) and while waiting for the gcd to come back you use an ogcd ability (non shared cooldown) e.g. internal release, elixir field, steel peak etc.

[Dmon121kill]

Guys to be honest. Despite the lost of potency, I don't actually see where Monk actually lost DPS. Im a lvl 70 monk now with a ilvl of about 282 and I'm hitting as hard as ever. I don't think monk dps was ever really that dependent on high potency but in overall damage buff in general, and we have plenty of that. I believe that if you use ACT in a party and find that monks are doing more damage then SAM it would be because SAM damage is based on the potency of its attacks whereas monks overall damage is based on its buffs to all its attacks. Its true we will never hit a 42k on a single skill but SAM will never auto attack as hard as a basic GCD either, nor will they ever combo 14k to 16k hits back to back to back.

So yeah, just relax

[TheRedMage]

Guys to be honest. Despite the lost of potency, I don't actually see where Monk actually lost DPS. Im a lvl 70 monk now with a ilvl of about 282 and I'm hitting as hard as ever. I don't think monk dps was ever really that dependent on high potency but in overall damage buff in general, and we have plenty of that. I believe that if you use ACT in a party and find that monks are doing more damage then SAM it would be because SAM damage is based on the potency of its attacks whereas monks overall damage is based on its buffs to all its attacks. Its true we will never hit a 42k on a single skill but SAM will never auto attack as hard as a basic GCD either, nor will they ever combo 14k to 16k hits back to back to back.

So yeah, just relax

Most of the criticism (if any) isn't about doing big numbers, I'm fairly certain most MNKs don't play MNKs to see massive crits and such. It's about the stuff we got in relation to the stuff we lost and the fact we still have several skills that are absolutely useless and how all of this affects the feeling of playing MNK.

[Fireselecta]

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Well, we still have a good(ish) DPS the thing is, SAM and casters have a better DPS than us now (trust me, if you find 'good' SAMs in a fight, they will certainly push higher DPS than you). But, tbh, I don't care if MNK aren't on top of the DPS list anymore, we have now a 'small' raid utility and a good sync with BRD/DRG/SCH, wich is what we MNKs were asking for.

[Dmon121kill]

I wouldn't be so sure. Lets break it down into potency. SAM strongest attack is about 820 potency, but SAM has no buffs expect the %50 potency buff. MNK has Forbidden Chakra at a potency of 220 which is extremely low compared to SAM strongest attack. Looking at this you would think well shit, SAM is beast and monk is weak. But that's not true at all. By the time SAM dish out that one attack, Monks would have possible dished out on average 3 forbidden chakras at a collective potency of 660. Not as high as 820, but if you are being a good monk you are keeping up your buffs and debuffs which are an additional 50% increase in damage. That 660 becomes 990. With SAM however that 820 can get that 50% potency and become 1230. however, if you play you rotation right with your monk and your raid party are on point, you can get all 3 FC with the riddle of fire buff and pump that 990 up to a potential 1287.

Keep in mind that monks buff applies to all of their skills and auto attacks.

[Fireselecta]

Well, talking about potencies is something nice. But, you're forgetting one thing, we're dependant on RNG now, and SAM's not. You can see more than 200DPS differences between two runs where you handle the same mechanics mostly because of your luck on your chakras...
Ok now, do you know a famous parser everyone is using ? (ACT to not mention it) Cause with this tool, you can see actual DPS, and not some basic theorycraft upon potencies.
Then, on Susano Ex with this comp (WAR/WAR/SCH/WHM/DRG/MNK/SAM/RDM), wich is a nice comp for a MNK. Having my Demo up all the time, loosing GL3 only 1 time before sword phase ( you can't avoid it). Doing most of my positionnals correctly, AND having some luck on my chakras charging during BH, the SAM of our group was still higher than me easily. I will add i'm not the best MNK ever, but I'm sure I know my job.
So, as I said, we still have a good DPS, but, the truth is that we're not the single target top DPS anymore (sorry but almost everyone agree on SAM being top DPS in the whole forum). Even the SSS dummy's HP are showing this if you need any more facts.

[Dmon121kill]

you're arguing that due to Mechanics SAM is higher DPS not that monk can't keep up. Ok, I get that argument. So this is basically an SMN vs BLM type of argument where it's solely situational. I can agree with that actually. I will admit that dealing with new mechanics is rough on our sensitive DPS requirements, but that's just a matter of adjustment. This, in my opinion, makes the MNK class more difficult to manage in these highly active fights, but much more rewarding. And I'm sure ACT measure DPS just as good as any other app. Hell, aggro will tell you what DPS is doing the most damage at that time. Haven't you learned not to follow the trend? I believe at one time everyone was saying that Dragoon was top DPS. Then NIN when they 1st arrived. Truth be told, all of this is new and there is not enough adjustment period to determine what DPS class is on top.

So just wait and see. I have yet to come across a SAM that out dpsed me. But, who knows.

[Fireselecta]

So just wait and see. I have yet to come across a SAM that out dpsed me. But, who knows.

Well, you were ilvl282 with your MNK this morning, so I guess you don't have THAT much experience against some SAM outside of roulettes...

EDIT : I mean, don't get me wrong, I truly enjoy MNK and its DPS. But I truly think it will be hard for us to keep up with SAM at the moment. (as much as it was for DRG and NIN to keep up with us on 3.5)

[Sarutobi_Daritobi]

Well, you were ilvl282 with your MNK this morning, so I guess you don't have THAT much experience against some SAM outside of roulettes...

EDIT : I mean, don't get me wrong, I truly enjoy MNK and its DPS. But I truly think it will be hard for us to keep up with SAM at the moment. (as much as it was for DRG and NIN to keep up with us on 3.5)

yea, i agree. I saw someone do 40k+ damage (single hit) with SAM, and I do not think that we can keep up to that as an MNK. however MNK is not bad still.

they say it is possible to achieve 4.5k+ dps with it... so there is that.