Even Xeno thinks WAR needs some love.

[Taihaku]

I don't see any Paladin hate and I don't think it's valid. I don't think any normal Warrior player would hate changes they made for Paladins.
Normal Warrior player is annoyed how SE messed perfectly working job. Of course there will be comparisons, because comparisons shows best how job can be done very well (vide PLD) and how can be broken very well (vide WAR).

Playing Warrior now is nothing alike playing it in HW, it's not fun, it's tedious and mundane. I suppose this is how Paladins felt in HW and that worries me even more, because they had to wait for whole expansion for fixes... :/

Honestly how can you consider this rotation mundane when HW rotation was literally spam storm's eye and 3 FC+fracture berserk? Have you tried to use infuriate at the start of a pull to maximize dps gains and pop berserk/inner release as soon as possible? After the opener are you making sure you are getting 4 fell cleaves in normal berserk and 6 FC's and a thrill of battle buffed upheaval in inner release berserk? The current warrior is way more complicated and complex than HW warrior ever was.

[ADVSS]

I think drk is fine, change the dark passenger to the old version and revert blood price and we good I guess. War is just...ugh idk I que"d leveling rou and was like nope

but DRK is fine. Now change things? youre ok with souleaters new changes? I just commented on a post about pld not using clemency like candy and seriously the other tanks got their sustainability reduced massively especially drk. It isnt balance at all

[Vejitta]

Honestly how can you consider this rotation mundane when HW rotation was literally spam storm's eye and 3 FC+fracture berserk? Have you tried to use infuriate at the start of a pull to maximize dps gains and pop berserk/inner release as soon as possible? After the opener are you making sure you are getting 4 fell cleaves in normal berserk and 6 FC's and a thrill of battle buffed upheaval in inner release berserk? The current warrior is way more complicated and complex than HW warrior ever was.

Well, I agree. Mundane is a poor choice of word. Overcomplicated and unflexible are better.

[Deadeye]

I love the complexity of Warrior's Rotation.

I don't even mind that we have to work twice as hard for pretty much the same DPS.

What I do mind is that we can no longer Stance Dance and that Unchained is literally worthless.

What would we REALLY lose if they brought stance dancing back into it?

Defiance is already the worst tank stance. Our rotation is already way harder than PLD and DRK. So we can flow better between stances and enjoy the job. That can be Warrior's THING. Remove it from PLD too!

I'm just scared that I'll be asked to play PLD or DRK instead of warrior in this expansion. That elitiest pugs will refuse to let me play the job I love so dearly.
WAR is hands down my favorite tank. I love the new 4.X changes, even Shake it Off (of your hotbar) isn't that bad! It has its uses it's just niche and not really a raiding skill. THAT'S FINE.
Just let me stance dance.

Just give me back my flow TT.TT

[Daniel_Fury]

I'm just scared that I'll be asked to play PLD or DRK instead of warrior in this expansion. That elitiest pugs will refuse to let me play the job I love so dearly.

I feel you. I remember a WAR leaving an A12s pug we had because we had a PLD. We hadn't even gone in and he refused to go unless we kick the PLD and get a DRK.
No one deserves that.

[Genoreaper]

War was overpowered. Period. Us blm had to deal with 3.0 hell and now we're doing good, it's the ebb and flow of the game.

[Yahallo]

War was overpowered. Period. Us blm had to deal with 3.0 hell and now we're doing good, it's the ebb and flow of the game.

Flavor of the month is not good design for a MMO. There shouldn't be an ebb and flow at all. Just because war was OP in HW, doesn't mean it should be nerfed to the ground in SB.

[Genoreaper]

Ebbs and flows shouldn't happen? Sounds boring. The only complaint is wars aren't master of all. They didn't care about any of this when paladins were pretty much left out because everyone went double war.

Warrior was god and you were fine with that months flavor.

Oh no a warrior isn't a dps and self healing god and might have to rely on full party. Le gasp

[Genoreaper]

And they had to nerf it some rather than elevate all tanks to God status, otherwise content would be a bitch to create. Please tell me all about your incredible mmo with better setup.

[Voormund]

And they had to nerf it some rather than elevate all tanks to God status, otherwise content would be a bitch to create. Please tell me all about your incredible mmo with better setup.

I never understand this type of comment, so because you haven't created something better than what you are expressing your opinion on you are not allowed to have an opinion on it or criticize it? I guess you've never seen a bad movie or eaten a bad meal, that actually sounds pretty awesome, I'm envious. It's not even like they are criticizing it without providing suggestions for fixes - there are some pretty good ideas in here as to how to improve the class. It's not about returning to God status, it's about the class being irrelevant and less fun to play. If the devs have a hard time balancing content because they look lazy or sloppy solutions to balancing classes then they only have themselves to blame. As someone who has been primarily a Paladin player for the duration of the time I've spent with the game and little interest in seriously playing Warrior - I still don't want to see the Warrior class be the "Paladin of SB". I'm not interested in getting even for being shunned for an entire expansion, I'm interested in the overall game being improved by having more of a variety in tanks - or even just more tanks total to help queue times. If your main point simply revolves around getting even - you really need to grow up.