Can anyone say anything positive about 4.0 DRG?

[IchiExorz]

Tbh I'm enjoying my DRG right now. Still fun to play.
However I feel like my damage is lacking compared to other DPS classes.

[Schan]

You can troll people who don't know what Dragon Sight does?

[ManuelBravo]

One word AWESOME if you know the job properly. Here is a tip for all who think it sucks....Read how the actions work. Practice with your chocobo in fates while waiting. Specially Dragon Sight, at 70 mobs seem to die too fast to use all moves and if you can incorporate sprint into main boss fights they become so much easier.

[HoLoFoNo]

One word AWESOME if you know the job properly. Here is a tip for all who think it sucks....Read how the actions work. Practice with your chocobo in fates while waiting. Specially Dragon Sight, at 70 mobs seem to die too fast to use all moves and if you can incorporate sprint into main boss fights they become so much easier.

See, I'm glad you're enjoying the class and seeing those nasty mobs die quickly.

But unfortunately for you, DRG is objectively weak. I personally enjoy it despite Kaioken not actually doing much for the class and taking 70 seconds to activate in the first place. It feels like mnk did, it rewards creativity to keep up. But that doesn't matter when all the effort is for little.

If you can prove to me that DRG isn't the 3rd weakest dps I will cut off my nutsacks and eat them in a sandwich.

[ManuelBravo]

See, I'm glad you're enjoying the class and seeing those nasty mobs die quickly.

But unfortunately for you, DRG is objectively weak. I personally enjoy it despite Kaioken not actually doing much for the class and taking 70 seconds to activate in the first place. It feels like mnk did, it rewards creativity to keep up. But that doesn't matter when all the effort is for little.

If you can prove to me that DRG isn't the 3rd weakest dps I will cut off my nutsacks and eat them in a sandwich.

Sigh they say ignorance is a bliss let me ask you what do you focus on as a DRG? As a DRG it's all about how you are able to use your rotations effectively. Example I focus on Skill speed and Critical. Determination is next if I have maxed out gear or cap. (saving seals for highest materia before adding to new gear ) I've seen too many DRG leaving Skill speed last....nice they can hit hard but doesn't compare to getting more hit in, 2 for the price of one and still out damage within that same time. I can go on about rotations and such but if you already don't know the basics and how to add new ones in I can't help you with that. Also blood of the dragon and life of a dragon make a huge difference specially if you can keep Life of Dragon up. Mainly only been able to keep it up in Major boss fights or primal fights, yet it can be done. My guess is if your not seeing the damage out put is probably do to you being a bit too slow on your skill timers. For end game stuff is a bit different. You need to have a good balance and really depends onhow dependable your group is. When I have a chance I will place logs as an example. Now then, SAM is a power house I will give them that and currently working on it. So far a bit slow compare to RDM and DRG. I can't speak for nin...yet do to the short time I've had to level my alternates roles. I specialize in DRG, DRK, NIN, BLM, PLD, going to SAM and RDM once I get the feeling for them both if I enjoy them. Too bad we aren't in same server would have loved to show you rather then type specially in Duel.

Note I love relics and one can pretty much carry you weapon wise until 70 and you complete Job quest for gear and new wep. If you really want to test out your skills and implementing sprint into your rotation Do shin fight and practice in it :P Enjoy your meal by the way :P

[Erys]

Rambling

You proved nothing. Dragoon was the underdog in the last tier below both monk and ninja. And it only made up to compete with ninja because its synergy with bard and machinist and this class doing ok dps.
Now we are the underdog again in potencies, yet bringing bard and machinist doesn't make us competitive at all. Also skill speed has been proved with hundreds of data points to be the INFERIOR stat to our dps. Plus the fuck ups it causes to lining up of cds and such.
I think the friendo here, HoLoFoNo, has more of a clue about playing dragoon in high end content than you so no need to be snarky about it.

[HoLoFoNo]

Stuff.

This is most certainly bait. But ill take it all the same.

Skill speed is dog shit for DRG (unless you count the ultra high SKS rotation which is more of a theory than anything) so your 'feelings' don't mean anything when there is mathematical evidence which suggests what substats are more valuable than others.


It's quite clear that everything you say is completely anecdotal and is not backed up with any sort of fact or proof, instead you just spew nonsense and then claim it as fact.

You can never tell me shit about the DRG rotation as I've played it since 2013 and last time it was my main, I was hitting 99 percentiles on Gordias which even if fflogs is just epeen displaying, its still proof of knowledge of a class. You on the other hand have demonstrated how little you actually understand about the game and its mechanics.

LotD isn't a super significant contribution because in the end, it's 70 seconds of build up for what? 960 potency in a 30 second window? Obviously that isn't nearly enough as not only does it not feel like a core mechanic since it only affects 1 ability in the classes entire kit, it is much more punishing to drop than most of the other classes secondary resource, which does not deplete during downtime.

Regardless of if I enjoy the class or not, it is clear that DRG is suffering from poor design choices which leads to it being much weaker than all the other melee dps despite its offensive utility and the gap between dragoon and the classes above it is quite large when all things are considered. Coupled with the fact that its fairly punishing to play makes for a terrible imbalance of high risk low reward which is the equivalent of useless to the majority of people. This is further evidence from the numerous complains outweighing the positives from all language forums.

Send me your logs for your Lakshimi and Susano parses if you are so good. If not then stop spewing nonsense as if it is true.

P.S Yeah nice one, you will SHOW me your power in a duel. GL with that edge lord

[HoLoFoNo]

You proved nothing. Dragoon was the underdog in the last tier below both monk and ninja. And it only made up to compete with ninja because its synergy with bard and machinist and this class doing ok dps.
Now we are the underdog again in potencies, yet bringing bard and machinist doesn't make us competitive at all. Also skill speed has been proved with hundreds of data points to be the INFERIOR stat to our dps. Plus the fuck ups it causes to lining up of cds and such.
I think the friendo here, HoLoFoNo, has more of a clue about playing dragoon in high end content than you so no need to be snarky about it.

Thanks for summing it up nicer than I could, I wish I saw this before I posted that essay.

(That being said last tier DRG technically had higher dps than NIN on a dummy but due to the mechanics of the fights DRG couldn't produce its max potential.)

[ManuelBravo]

You proved nothing. Dragoon was the underdog in the last tier below both monk and ninja. And it only made up to compete with ninja because its synergy with bard and machinist and this class doing ok dps.
Now we are the underdog again in potencies, yet bringing bard and machinist doesn't make us competitive at all. Also skill speed has been proved with hundreds of data points to be the INFERIOR stat to our dps. Plus the fuck ups it causes to lining up of cds and such.
I think the friendo here, HoLoFoNo, has more of a clue about playing dragoon in high end content than you so no need to be snarky about it.

End game and casual are two different things. I don't expect people to understand and your right Endgame gear needs to be more damaged based which I agree. However majority of players, DF lately seem to lack that understanding and hard when your taking hate from a Tank. Then again I don't expect people to understand this. While I'm sure your a great player in your own little world not everyone is the same style. People who rather lack keeping an open mind and want to belittle others really don't have perception to try different things. Also SE seems to have finally added some dungeons to give some basics on mechanics, which to my surprise even some veterans seem to forget on the most basic things. Yet to each their on, hope we don't meet in DF.

P.S Yeah nice one, you will SHOW me your power in a duel. GL with that edge lord

The world is dumb enough don't add to it-Foamy

[Erys]

Even in casual content Crit, Direct hit and Determination overrule Skill Speed because it's basically useless after you reach the minimum you need.