The Ifrit Fight is Dangerous to the Community.

[Physic]

The only valid point is the first imo.

There is nothing wrong with hard content. There is nothing wrong with nearly unbeatable hard content (Not saying Ifrit qualifies for that title). There is something wrong with underlying game flaws that add to intended challenges by superimposing themselves onto the content. It makes the experience frustrating, not challenging.

Sure maybe the OP should do any of the things that he's been berated with throughout this thread. Maybe he should run with 6 LNC and 2 CNJ. Whatever, that's not the point. He can overcome the fight with enough time in, I'm sure of it. That won't make it more enjoyable because all the while they're battling Ifrit the technical problems will be there, like unwelcome guests, ruining the experience when they're succeeding and making the failures that much more certain.

Again, plenty of people are beating it and farming it eventually and some are even enjoying it. Not the point. Only by fixing the underlying problems can this content simply be challenging and to some like the OP apparently very challenging, and not also frustrating for no good reason. Much like Meatboy or Super Meatboy. Hard yes, poorly designed no.

Content should be hard because it's hard. Not because it's moderately kind of maybe involved but broken, which gives it the illusion of hard.

Thankfully SE knows about the technical end of it so there's really nothing to be done but either ignoring the game until it's fixed or playing it in spite of the issues and overcoming both the content and the technical failings to achieve success if you still care enough to do so.

people talk about animation lock but to me animation lock makes perfect sense, it happens on doing an action. Choose when to do you actions carefully. To me thats basic game design, If you do something special you take a risk. Choose when to do you actions, or think strategically.

lag is a different issue, but to be honest i think he died less from lag, and more from not knowing how to handle ifrits skill sets and patterns. He even admitted as much. the primary lag related skills dont even occur in the part of the fight he got up to.

[Aistaraina]

TADA!

http://www.daevaofwar.net/index.php?...o-ifrit-guide/

There's your magical illustration.

Edit: Or this http://bluegarter.guildwork.com/p/strats

No illustration, but a video and more in depth descriptions. Same style of strat, but different positioning.

[Deceptistar]

After SE fixes the server lag (one day) i wonder what technical excuses pple will come up with next... >.>
'whaaa my PC is too old, it wont play properly! NERF EET!' ? <.<

[Velhart]

people talk about animation lock but to me animation lock makes perfect sense, it happens on doing an action. Choose when to do you actions carefully. To me thats basic game design, If you do something special you take a risk. Choose when to do you actions, or think strategically.

lag is a different issue, but to be honest i think he died less from lag, and more from not knowing how to handle ifrits skill sets and patterns. He even admitted as much. the primary lag related skills dont even occur in the part of the fight he got up to.

Not really the issue. If timing is required, then it is fine. The problem is, there are issues where people who are not even in animation lock running away from a crack and miles from it before it explodes, and still getting hit.

[SilvertearRen]

TADA!

http://www.daevaofwar.net/index.php?...o-ifrit-guide/

There's your magical illustration.

Edit: Or this http://bluegarter.guildwork.com/p/strats

No illustration, but a video and more in depth descriptions. Same style of strat, but different positioning.

That was posted earlier, the daeva one, but I hadn't had the time to look. Now that I see the illustration, it really does help spell things out. What about archers? Where should they be positioned, though? We often have at least one archer in our parties.

After SE fixes the server lag (one day) i wonder what technical excuses pple will come up with next... >.>
'whaaa my PC is too old, it wont play properly! NERF EET!' ? <.<

"My CPU died when Ifrit used Hellfire!"

[Orias]

Yeah, look at the map Doctor Mog and Aistaraina provided.

The tank's positioning isn't to bad. Have your tank get behind where Ifrit spawns (he's sight aggro, so you can) and fight him against the wall. I'm not sure I can explain it a different way.

I apologize about the DD role. I don't ever fight Ifrit from that perspective so I don't know exactly what my shellmates do. They don't seem to ever get hit by plumes though, only messing up to the occasional eruption.

Hopefully that helps.

EDIT: Have an Archer positioned by the mage that is to Ifrit's left. They can really do either side, but the left side is just easier.

[Richard_BG]

TADA!

http://www.daevaofwar.net/index.php?...o-ifrit-guide/

There's your magical illustration.

Edit: Or this http://bluegarter.guildwork.com/p/strats

No illustration, but a video and more in depth descriptions. Same style of strat, but different positioning.

thanks for plugging this Ais, I was about to but then saw you beat me to the punch haha.

[Lavani]

No encounter is ever hard really. If you know what to do, then it's easy. Ifrit is no different. Hit the boss, Kill the nails, Kill the boss, avoid any aoe GG.

[Treach]

http://www.livestream.com/viciouslin...edium=ui-thumb

You can skip to 5:15, video proof there are three safe spots. One for the tank, one for right side and another for left side. The only thing that can hit you is eruptions, also to avoid the plumes for the melee dps just stand behind ifrit to the left hind leg and plumes won't hit you. It's also a good example of how bad ifrit positioning can kill you with plumes.

If you need detailed pictures of exactly where to stand I'll take some later tonight.

Bleh took too long to post, mogs guide is more then good enough.

[SilvertearRen]

http://www.livestream.com/viciouslin...edium=ui-thumb

You can skip to 5:15, video proof there are three safe spots. One for the tank, one for right side and another for left side. The only thing that can hit you is eruptions, also to avoid the plumes for the melee dps just stand behind ifrit to the left hind leg and plumes won't hit you. It's also a good example of how bad ifrit positioning can kill you with plumes.

If you need detailed pictures of exactly where to stand I'll take some later tonight.

Bleh took too long to post, mogs guide is more then good enough.

The pictures would be great. The more material there is to support these strategies, the more likely people will pull it off. Basically, pointing out the vital strategy points, with plenty of data (pictures, maps, advice/tips) for players to absorb, will help.