What is this new anti dps healer attitude?

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Let me just correct you on this. My SO tanks. He is a GREAT tank. I don't just say that because he is my SO. When he isn't so great or slacking, I tell him so. I'VE noticed how hard he is getting hit. I asked him if he was slacking. He wasn't.

They ARE using their CD's. They ARE mitigating. They ARE getting hit like trucks.

YOU may want to get used to the stance SE is taking; Healers are HEALERS, not DPS. Healers DPS'ing during runs is basically over. Throwing something out, tank's almost dead. That's YOUR fault. People die while you are DPS'ing, your fault.

SE is hardlining the roles.

I just ran Baelsar's Wall this morning and pulled over 2,000 DPS consistently; well over 4,000 on the bigger mob packs. And all I used for healing was Regen, Medica II, Tetra and the occasional Cure/Cure II. Keep in mind, I have an averagely geared tank and one DPS who was ilvl 235. Doing the 61 dungeon today, the tank did mass pulls without any sort of hindrance whatsoever and the overwhelming census has been both EX Primals are complete jokes. So... what exactly is SE hardlining here? They may want healers to focus more on healing, but they aren't going to up the damage. We already know Omega Savage won't be harder than Creator-- I wouldn't be entirely surprised if it wound up easier. Therefore, healers will have ample opportunity to DPS and the expectations will continue.

And no. It is only a healer's fault if people die because they weren't healed through unavoidable damage. If some moron keeps getting clipped by the same aoes, it isn't the healers fault. Frankly, I will prioritize damage over healing someone who can't be bothered to dodge mechanics because I am not your babysitter.

[Yahallo]

Let me just correct you on this. My SO tanks. He is a GREAT tank. I don't just say that because he is my SO. When he isn't so great or slacking, I tell him so. I'VE noticed how hard he is getting hit. I asked him if he was slacking. He wasn't.

They ARE using their CD's. They ARE mitigating. They ARE getting hit like trucks.

YOU may want to get used to the stance SE is taking; Healers are HEALERS, not DPS. Healers DPS'ing during runs is basically over. Throwing something out, tank's almost dead. That's YOUR fault. People die while you are DPS'ing, your fault.

SE is hardlining the roles.

And here I am, running dungeons with healers in my FC and am able to chain pull while mitigating damage in a way so that the healers can still DPS while keeping me alive. If my healer wants to DPS, then as a tank I will find a way to let them DPS.

[TankHunter678]

Pretty out of the topic, but...

I feel like the healers quality has fallen so much with the expansion, at least on the pugs I participated, the more grotesque mistakes have been made by healers, maybe they've got too comfortable with the game current state overflowing with dps left and right and healers being quicly invited for any group that they don't even botter looking up for guides for EX fights before joining in?

From playing both the Healer and DPS side, being a healer right now is painful. Unless its a decent paladin or decent dark knight tank your tank is in general going to be pretty damn squishy and the higher on average damage output also means that DPS tend to take a lot more damage then they are used to. With a lot of tanks just chain pulling like this is ilvl 260s in dungeons balanced around 215s it is common to see healers basically running a marathon through the dungeon at half MP with barely anything to lend in DPSing the groups down. Commendations out to the helpful BLMs who keep throwing MP at the healers between pulls.

Then you got DPS who refuse to or have not adapted to the new and new/old AoEs. Its not surprising to see big mistakes from healers, they are running at a very different pace then the other classes right now.

[NewSinz]

As an AST I can tell you that the only time you should be DPSing is when 1. Tank is geared and knows how to use cooldowns. 2. The tank is only pulling 1 group at a time and not pulling 2 and 3. 3. With the amount of big D hits mobs are making and the amount of MP they are having to use to spike heal DPS who cant stay out of AoE's, Waisting your MP on DPS is not worth it. Our DPS is garbage anyways... at least as an AST I havent played with SCH or WHM but I dont imagine its any better.

[BigRed5392]

I remember when Yoshida said this about Gordian savage.

I remember when it was never true throughout the entire lifespan of that piece of content.

doing content at a lower item level does that. Still, it true, I've had healer just heal in HW content, never bothered me and we won regardless. If you lost or had issues, it a team issue.

[Faliandra]

As an AST I can tell you that the only time you should be DPSing is when 1. Tank is geared and knows how to use cooldowns. 2. The tank is only pulling 1 group at a time and not pulling 2 and 3. 3. With the amount of big D hits mobs are making and the amount of MP they are having to use to spike heal DPS who cant stay out of AoE's, Waisting your MP on DPS is not worth it. Our DPS is garbage anyways... at least as an AST I havent played with SCH or WHM but I dont imagine its any better.

as an AST main, I can tell you that youre wrong.

YOU cant, I can.

[KisaiTenshi]

Pretty out of the topic, but...

I feel like the healers quality has fallen so much with the expansion, at least on the pugs I participated, the more grotesque mistakes have been made by healers, maybe they've got too comfortable with the game current state overflowing with dps left and right and healers being quicly invited for any group that they don't even botter looking up for guides for EX fights before joining in?

That's because looking at a guide is not helpful without playing it. When the content is new, the guide can also be incorrect.

[Aomine1992]

as an AST main, I can tell you that youre wrong.

YOU cant, I can.

I'm curious to what AST your playing because I main it too and I come from dps'n majority of the time in HW content to always coasting the out of mana line or out of mana line....as much Ewers, enhanced ewers, or timing lucid dream I do if I go dps and do a couple gravitys on a big pull I'm most likely out close to running out or just plain out of mana....lucid dream has a longer cd then our old refresh which made this issue non existent but now fully geared in an expert roulette, a WAR chain pulls he's going to be taking heavy dmg even if using mitigation, there is no room to dps or either you use all your mana keeping him up...I just don't see how and I'm used to dps'n in savage and everything

[Alynn]

I'm curious to what AST your playing because I main it too and I come from dps'n majority of the time in HW content to always coasting the out of mana line or out of mana line....as much Ewers, enhanced ewers, or timing lucid dream I do if I go dps and do a couple gravitys on a big pull I'm most likely out close to running out or just plain out of mana....lucid dream has a longer cd then our old refresh which made this issue non existent but now fully geared in an expert roulette, a WAR chain pulls he's going to be taking heavy dmg even if using mitigation, there is no room to dps or either you use all your mana keeping him up...I just don't see how and I'm used to dps'n in savage and everything

Lucid dreaming and celestial opposition have the same CD. You pair those two together and you won't run out. If you run out of mana gravity'ing and the mobs aren't dead yet, your party's DPS must really suck.

As an AST I can tell you that the only time you should be DPSing is when 1. Tank is geared and knows how to use cooldowns. 2. The tank is only pulling 1 group at a time and not pulling 2 and 3. 3. With the amount of big D hits mobs are making and the amount of MP they are having to use to spike heal DPS who cant stay out of AoE's, Waisting your MP on DPS is not worth it. Our DPS is garbage anyways... at least as an AST I havent played with SCH or WHM but I dont imagine its any better.

>"Our DPS is garbage" but I've been carrying people through expert roulette? No sweetie, the dps a good ast can do is on par with your average dps. With the new CDs AST can have which are FREE mind you, we aren't wasting MP. For the record, SCH and WHM will do more DPS than an AST by far. Its amazing what stacking 2 regens can do for a tank lol.

I've been reading the replies from people and I love how the people who say that healers can't dps are the ones who A) don't main it, B) don't play it optimally or C) are just too scared to dps bc big spikes and its not worth it bs. Just because you don't have self awareness doesn't mean the dpsing healer doesn't as well. Some of us don't want to be Healbots TM.

[Canadane]

After hitting 70 on warrior I can easily say there's a lot of room for healers to DPS during things still.
Not sure why people think Stormblood changed something.