The Royal Menagerie

[SixtyLove]

It's not we want victory handed to us but the fact that even if you do everything correctly, you can bet the "you don't pay my sub" players will screw it up for the group.

No offence, but the 'blame everyone else for my failure to clear' mindset really needs to be let go.

If you are struggling oh so much with this duty, then perhaps the fault doesn't just lie with everyone else.... about time you took your own playstyle, and thought about why YOU are having an issue with clearing it, into consideration and not just blame all the other "you don't pay my sub" players you are so quick to blame. Blaming everyone else for your own lack of a clear is tasteless at best, tbh.... you're all in a party together and one person can really only wipe the whole thing if everyone else is already down. I got in a wipe-run of this a few nights ago and a DPS I was chained to derped the mechanic when we could have beaten it finally, but you know what? It just wasn't meant to be.

This trial is no difficult to any of the other trials we have faced in this game, it just requires you to learn strategy.... which again, is nothing new to this game. FFXIV has been like this since launch. I'm so bored of seeing people ask for nerfs because they're so used to the faceroll of older content that anything with a tiny rise in difficulty is "epically hard"..... it's ridiculous tbh.

Leave this as it is, it's honestly the best non-raid piece of content for a long time and Yoshi's team did a fantastic job on this expansion.

[Claviusnex]

I'd argue an exception in a 24 man (Is there any other fight in the whole game that starts on P2?) is different than the overwhelming majority, especially in a basic story fight. The point still stands that most fights are a start to finish scenario.

They probably added it to the 24 man to help with the number of chimps that just AFK in the sea of bodies in conjunction with Diabolos practically serving as 2 seperate fights than take longer than the other bosses each.

You have Ascian Prime at the end of the Aetherochemical Research Facility dungeon who it a two part boss.

[Hestzhyen]

I one-shot this trial when I did it for the first time, going in blind. It was fun and got me pumped for things to come in a way that Lakshimi and Susano'o didn't. Then I tried to help someone else clear and we gave up for the night after spending two full sessions beating our heads against the last phase. So I understand why some people are frustrated too.

In the end, you will clear. If the group you're with is not making it, another will. Not all players are good and some will need to be carried through it- do your best to be the one who carries instead of the other way around and the path to success will open for you.

[Slirith]

Yes, let's miss the point. Never blamed anyone Mr. White Knight, never said to nerf it. Let's see if you can complete the duty with complete idiot players. When you're in a group where mechanics are explained yet 4/8 immediately die to the first mechanic and still continue to do so repeatedly until a vote abandon goes through. Course I guess pointing out that "you don't pay my sub*lot nicer to call em this and not be banned from OF*" being terrible players is blaming?

[Keridwyn]

I feel bad. Got Shin for trial roulette today with a really good group (no one shot but excellent progress and two near misses). I wanted to be there when they got the clear but ran out of time personally as I had to leave to catch bus to work. I really hope they made it they were doing so well. Lesson learned though, don't queue for Trial right now unless I have about two hours.

[Sammix87]

Yes, let's miss the point. Never blamed anyone Mr. White Knight, never said to nerf it. Let's see if you can complete the duty with complete idiot players. When you're in a group where mechanics are explained yet 4/8 immediately die to the first mechanic and still continue to do so repeatedly until a vote abandon goes through. Course I guess pointing out that "you don't pay my sub*lot nicer to call em this and not be banned from OF*" being terrible players is blaming?

I find it hard to believe that this continually happened to you, or did you simply only attempt this fight the one time? Either way you must have awful luck in the DF if you are stuck at it, or I'm super lucky an just encounter the nice, helpful people (which I doubt).

Also, you didn't ask for/want nerf? Then why did your reply to me insinuate otherwise?

SixtyLove did indeed complete the duty as WHM and she ran it a second time to help me through it. So, yes actually she has completed it twice that I know of.

The fact remains though that something shouldn't get nerfed just because a few derpy parties failed to do the simple mechanic. Did you check that everyone in the party spoke the same language? Did you give an explanation that actually made sense? Even on my derpy first attempt, when no one knew what to do, we get to less than 50% health on the boss.

Calling someone a terrible player because you also failed the duty is blaming or do the "you don't pay my sub" players you mention in your response to me not count? Remember, you were a part of that team too, you were there for the explanation of the mechanic. An 8 man party can only succeed if everyone cooperates, and in this case, knows what to do. But alas, people would rather ***ch and moan and cry for nerf because simple mechanics they have seen before are baffling.

This fight isn't impossible like some people are trying to make it seem, plenty of people seem to have cleared it on Zodiark (Home of some of the most derpy people I've had the honour of knowing).

[Nixxe]

It's not we want victory handed to us but the fact that even if you do everything correctly, you can bet the "you don't pay my sub" players will screw it up for the group.

It's really not that bad. A couple of the groups I have been in were pretty frustrating, but I just stepped up and took charge of the group. People just want to clear, so as long as you're not rude about how you give instructions, they'll probably do what you say.

[Cirith]

I didn't expect people to attack me for saying that the trial was too difficult. I still haven't found a group that has been able to get past it. I guess I might have to be attacked some more by others so they will feel superior to me so I can cancel my subscription to this game.

[Keridwyn]

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Dont let it get to you. First group I was ever with explained nothing and tried to pin the failure of the whole group on me because I was a bad healer. Cleared it with my next group who chose to not stand in the bad and fell of the platform less. Just do the best you can do and do the mechanics as best you can and you will get through!

[SixtyLove]

Tantrum snip!

If you weren't blaming them, you wouldn't even have to mention them at all. I'm not missing the point at all, you did the exact same thing again in the post that I just quoted. Not being able to clear something straight away, or not getting the strat down first time does not make someone a terrible player; get a grip. You have a massive chip on your shoulder and you need to let it go.

Secondly, I agree with what Sammix87 posted above, I also find it difficult to believe that you are continually getting 'terrible players' in the duty finder but, if that is the case then perhaps instead of thowing a hissy fit on the FFXIV official forums you could be better spending your time looking for a group through the party finder, there are plenty of LFG up on the EU and World data centre, perhaps you should try those.

Lastly, I'm a female btw so that's Miss. White Knight, to you.