A PSA to all upset tank players

[FallenWings]

I'll admit to having never actually cleared A3S, since my first static broke up at that fight like many others, but even tanking in Gordias wasn't that bad.

I remember seeing a lot of zero damage Hypercompressed plasmas back when that content was still relevant, and this was during the "toxic STR meta" that supposedly made tanks so glassy.

It wasn't actually the tank busters that were an issue(they never really are with our friggin CD suite). It was the fact that both tanks AND healers were pushing and the crazy autos and cleaves in between ontop of the various raid wides. It's when you had to use your CDs not just for the tank busters but for the sets of cleaves. Working with a smaller HP pool your health would spike more with various stray crits and subsequent raid wides.

[Dauntess]

I think some of the people in here are missing the point. Tanks are upset about losing out DPS because that is hands down the best way to generate agro, and stance dancing added into gameplay which made it more engaging. I probably don't speak for everyone, but don't really give a shit about focusing DPS on tank. I go through a checklist while tanking. Do I hav agro? Check. Am I mitigating enough damage to not stress the healers? Check. Am I debuffing to help the part out? Check. Ok, now I'll start dancing to try to help with DPS

One last thing to touch on, the role pool. I dont understand the need to remove so many key abilities to DRK, just to throw them back into the pool so you have to take up slots just to get back abilities you already had. I honestly though was just gonna be a pool of cross class abilities. Similar to what it was, but not needing to level those jobs to access them. I didnt think they were gonna remove abilities and force you to use slots to get them back.

[Dauntess]

And 1k character post limit sucks by the way.

[SargentToughie]

It wasn't actually the tank busters that were an issue(they never really are with our friggin CD suite). It was the fact that both tanks AND healers were pushing and the crazy autos and cleaves in between ontop of the various raid wides. It's when you had to use your CDs not just for the tank busters but for the sets of cleaves. Working with a smaller HP pool your health would spike more with various stray crits and subsequent raid wides.

Yeah, that actually makes perfect sense. Gordias was the first tier I really raided in period, and the only one I actually tanked in since I went DPS for my second static in Midas. It all kinda blends together for me at this point, since I was a huge pleb back then. The insight is greatly appreciated!

I guess back then, it was just exciting to see zero damage tank busters, without really thinking about rest of the encounter. That said, I don't recall the cleave A1S being quite as brutal as the ones in later raid tiers. As far as I remember, Thordan kind of started the boss meta of "Large hit, TANK BUSTER, follow up cleave" that would get used a lot in Midas and Creator.

[aleph_null]

Yoshi P on numerous occasions has said he wants tanks to tank, healers to heal and dps to deal damage. Therefore if tanks are now taking issue with the fact they can no longer deal as much damage because they need to concentrate on taking and retaining enmity ie tanking, then yes they should start playing another class. Which would then be a totally personal choice and not one that needs forum consensus

Yeah Yoshi doesn't like it, then what? You're delusional if you think he'd make contents hard enough to make even the best tanks in the world stay in tank stance lol. Have you seen how those "full dps stance" tanks in elysium, angered, delete monk, rushers play? If you even tried to replicate them you'd understand the amount of thoughts and planning put into their cd management, tank swap timings, heal coordination. Those tanks probably need much less heals than your average tanks in full tank stance. Imagine if those good tanks need the mitigation from tank stance, even after doing so much effort to optimize their mitigation, then more than half of the current raiders won't be able to clear the contents.

Tl;dr, your average full grit/shield/defiance tanks aren't tankier than the best tanks in the game who don't use tank stance at all, making those good tanks need tank stance means making your average tanks unable to clear the contents, which is absolutely against what the devs want (making the game more casual friendly by simplifying job rotations and making raids easier).

[D1rtySpartan]

I know my opinion doesn't matter due to being new to the game. I have tank in other MMOs such as Everquest 2 and WoW. I dont find the tanking in this game bad at all. In fact I am excited to play a tank role in this game.

[Nikolas]

I'm not too concerned about dps since a tank is supposed to tank, but an increase in tank stance enmity would be nice. Enemy mobs are much harder to hold these days without flash spamming in my case.

[BlastHardcheese]

I know my opinion doesn't matter due to being new to the game. I have tank in other MMOs such as Everquest 2 and WoW. I dont find the tanking in this game bad at all. In fact I am excited to play a tank role in this game.

Firstly, welcome ^^

Secondly: You'll be fine if you're starting now, you won't have the keystone feeling of how drastically they've changed the meta. If you like gathering up mobs and getting whacked in the face so everyone else doesn't: You'll enjoy FFXIV tanking just fine.

[aleph_null]

I know my opinion doesn't matter due to being new to the game. I have tank in other MMOs such as Everquest 2 and WoW. I dont find the tanking in this game bad at all. In fact I am excited to play a tank role in this game.

Don't worry too much about it. When you gear up and get better there will be a surplus of mitigation, so you can swap out some of the mitigations that come at the cost of dps, while still maintaining enough mitigation to survive. There are two kinds of mitigations in this game, the ones that cost you dps (e.g. tank stance) and the ones that don't (defensive cooldowns that can be used out of tank stance, e.g. rampart).

If you know the fights well and have good healers that can coordinate their tools with yours, you can minimize the use of the former and rely on the latter more, resulting in higher dps output while still being able to survive. Concern about dps is a luxury for when you've secured aggro and managed your mitigation.

[D1rtySpartan]

Don't worry too much about it. When you gear up and get better there will be a surplus of mitigation, so you can swap out some of the mitigations that come at the cost of dps, while still maintaining enough mitigation to survive. There are two kinds of mitigations in this game, the ones that cost you dps (e.g. tank stance) and the ones that don't (defensive cooldowns that can be used out of tank stance, e.g. rampart).

If you know the fights well and have good healers that can coordinate their tools with yours, you can minimize the use of the former and rely on the latter more, resulting in higher dps output while still being able to survive. Concern about dps is a luxury for when you've secured aggro and managed your mitigation.

I chose Maruader as my class. Any suggestions for higher levels?