4.0 Tank melds and right side optimisation.

[Gunnie]

I get the feeling that SE will find a way to remove the STR jewelry completely, so you don't have a choice. At least when Omega hits.

[EusisLandale]

I get the feeling that SE will find a way to remove the STR jewelry completely, so you don't have a choice. At least when Omega hits.

If you need the extra 12k or so HP that'll remove it pretty quick. A dead person does no damage, and a dead tank leads to a lot of dead people.

[Brannigan]

I mean with enough coordination you can probably get by with -12k hp (Invulnerability, Intervention, TBN, Apocatastasis, Palisade, the magic/physical Viruses, Cover+mitigation stacking, critical adlos, passage of arms on the MT). I think they'll probably end up hard locking old accessories. There's no real reason not to.

[aleph_null]

Interesting question then. Provided you can't skip VIT acc and tank stance at the same time, is it better to be a VIT tank in DPS stance or a STR tank in tank stance ?

That's actually going to need some testing, assuming you can't have both. The dps difference between full vit accs vs full str accs (i270) is around 20%, which is around the difference between tank dps in and out of tank stance.

However I don't think it'll be relevant since you probably can get away with having both if you're good with managing cds, and have good co-tank and healers (ofc with pugs it'll vary and you probably want to have as much safety net as you can). Even if we need more catering from the healers or dps (with more heals, coordinated mitigation skills etc) it might actually be worth it over the huge dps difference of using vit accs unless the healers need to heal you like twice as much, which isn't the case at least in susano/lakshmi ex, as tested by some of my friends. Then again, depending on how much damage we're going to take in the new savage raids this may change. If we're taking so much damage that the vit accs are necessary to survive then we'll wear them.

I think they'll probably end up hard locking old accessories. There's no real reason not to.

That's what I think they'd do too. Unless they change their mind on the dmg scaling again.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

I have 12k less life when I put on STR jewelry. That's a ton (almost 25% of my life). You really can't suggest that STR jewelry will be king like that. Even in the ex trials currently you're on the edge of surviving. I rather stick with the VIT and have enough a buffer to survive anything without dropping to a sliver of HP.

As Aleph mentioned, it'll come down to how Omega works. If it's heavily scripted like A12S or just flat out easy ala A9S, you simply wouldn't need the 12k HP.

[aleph_null]

As Aleph mentioned, it'll come down to how Omega works. If it's heavily scripted like A12S or just flat out easy ala A9S, you simply wouldn't need the 12k HP.

To add a bit, I'd wear vit accs during progression, and slowly replace them one by one (if possible) while getting used to the mechanics and damage. Going in blind wearing full str would be a bad idea. 12k hp is much more likely to prevent a wipe than 500 extra dps when you're still learning the fight.

[Reynhart]

However I don't think it'll be relevant since you probably can get away with having both if you're good with managing cds

I'm sorry, but if you really can clear the hardest content with around half the eHP you could have at best, then the content is really baddly designed.

[Felorr]

I'm sorry, but if you really can clear the hardest content with around half the eHP you could have at best, then the content is really baddly designed.

This has been happening for years. Although "half the eHP" is an exaggeration.

[aleph_null]

I'm sorry, but if you really can clear the hardest content with around half the eHP you could have at best, then the content is really baddly designed.

Not really half ehp, it's around 25% of the max hp you can currently get. Something similar has happened before though, back in gordias tanks were using full slaying accs (somewhat required if you want to clear savage, thanks to the dps checks, unless your group has outgeared the contents). Back then I think the difference between full str and full vit accs were like 17k hp vs 23k hp, but I'm not really sure, it has been a while.

I don't want to go there but 20-30% ehp is nowhere near enough to bridge the gap between the best tank raiders and average tank raiders in the game lol. Look at how much heals those average drks in full grit need in a12s and compare them to the drks/wars in angered, delete monk or rushers. I'm quite sure you can put them into savage with half of the hp at max ilv and they'll still clear the raids.

[Reynhart]

Not really half ehp, it's around 25% of the max hp you can currently get.

That's 25% by equipping STR accessories, add another 25% by not being in tank stance.