Warrior: What Can We Do to Fix This?

[CommanderNarwhal]

I can't agree with this. The beast gauge works its the limitions around that make it work for stand dancing only. That's the only mechanic it doesnt work with. It has done wonders for Defience and is used for more methodical spending of the beast. Because you think it doeant work shows that you havent or will not adapt to it.

To me it raises issues with making fell cleave too spammy and less well setup and forces longer build phases that make it difficult to line up with things like trick attack
plus the gauge is ugly as hell

[ChloeGrace]

Wait 2 years, like paladin did. Enjoy your status as a "viable" tank.

[konpachizaraki]

Wait 2 years, like paladin did. Enjoy your status as a "viable" tank.

that's a good idea, while we're at it why not unsub from the game so SE will lose money and they will make our wish happen sooner?
oh and yeah they did suffer before paladin did, it's called patch 2.0

[Yagrush]

Wait 2 years, like paladin did. Enjoy your status as a "viable" tank.

Snarky post aside, Warrior already went through a really rough patch before Paladin 3.0 did. It's called "2.0".

[VexSunkiller]

To me it raises issues with making fell cleave too spammy and less well setup and forces longer build phases that make it difficult to line up with things like trick attack
plus the gauge is ugly as hell

On the look of the gauge is a matter of opinion. However it is a longer setup per say for the fact of its 10 stacks not 5 and fell cleave isnt spammy cause of the gauge its cause of inner release or do you not like that skill either. And I think it sets up well enough but in a pre tense matter. I usually build it right before a boss battle and then hit the boss as hard as I can in a burst and then keeping upheaval on cool down. Defiance warriors can do some serious damage now.

[Reynhart]

If they insist that WAR must suffer a penalty on stance swap, the penalty should not reduce gauge below 50.

Agreed. Personally, I'd also remove the Enhanced Infuriate (reduced CD for using beast skill...) trait but make Infuriate still gives you a full gauge.

The consequence was being stuck in the opposite stance for 10 seconds.

Which was also a consequence for PLD back when stance dancing interrupted combos, and still a consequence because if you switch back and forth too often you'll lose lots of damage.

Snarky post aside, Warrior already went through a really rough patch before Paladin 3.0 did. It's called "2.0".

Yes, but it was fixed in 2.1. On one side, I hope WAR is "fixed" in 4.1 but on the other side, it will raise questions if WAR gets fixed in 3 months both times, where PLD had to wait 2 years.

[Atreides]

On one side, I hope WAR is "fixed" in 4.1 but on the other side, it will raise questions if WAR gets fixed in 3 months both times, where PLD had to wait 2 years.

I don't think that it will raise any questions I mean Yoshida did say that they will be looking on balancing the current tanks more as for the reason why they didn't release a new one this expansion.

[Reynhart]

I don't think that it will raise any questions I mean Yoshida did say that they will be looking on balancing the current tanks more as for the reason why they didn't release a new one this expansion.

Technically, they were looking on balancing current tanks. Not that I was eager to see a 4th, but we didn' have a new tank because they were busy creating the current situation.
Not a sounding success...

It still doesn't explain why they ignores PLD's problem in 3.x. It would have been easy to fix without waiting for a new expansion.

For example, allowing block to work on magic and applying PLD's own mitigation to Covered damage would have been nice steps.

[Quor]

Wait 2 years, like paladin did. Enjoy your status as a "viable" tank.

Already happened. We called it "2.0 prior to the IB change." Which, to be fair, only lasted about 6 months. But also to be fair, PLD was preferred over DRK until the more magic-heavy fights near the last third of HW. For 3.0-3.3 at least PLD was doing just fine.

Also, take this tank DnC and shove it. There's nary a hardcore tank on this forum that doesn't have at least 2 of 3 tanks leveled to 60.

[CommanderNarwhal]

On the look of the gauge is a matter of opinion. However it is a longer setup per say for the fact of its 10 stacks not 5 and fell cleave isnt spammy cause of the gauge its cause of inner release or do you not like that skill either. And I think it sets up well enough but in a pre tense matter. I usually build it right before a boss battle and then hit the boss as hard as I can in a burst and then keeping upheaval on cool down. Defiance warriors can do some serious damage now.

You're disregarding raid content wherein you cannot pre-build the gauge and I personally hate inner release. It feels like an unimaginative cheesy ability that tries to justify making fell cleave spam a thing and forces awkward setups with berserk that can lead to storm's eye falling off. Granted the storm's eye falloff can be avoided.