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  1. #1
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    Keyln's Avatar
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    Samantha Smith
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    Excalibur
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    Pugilist Lv 80

    Can we fix Titan-Egi?

    Hello Square-Enix,

    I've been a long time Summoner player, playing since 1.0, and as a Summoner since the release of A Realm Reborn.

    With the release of Stormblood, Titan-Egi has gotten quite a bit weaker. One of the draws that pull me towards Summoner is the ability to summon a tanking pet and fight thing that would normally destroy me. Since Heavensward, I have noticed that Titan-Egi has not really grown in strength through 60 as the normal world enemies that I face. With the release of Stormblood, I have lost the ability to effectively heal Titan-Egi.

    Titan-Egi has as much HP as say a Warrior or a Dark Knight, but doesn't have the armor. To test this, I went to outside of Castrum Oriens to test on Sapria to how well Titan-Egi did enemies versus other tank jobs. The results saddened me really.

    At level 60, Titan-Egi has about 35,000 HP, comparable to Warrior and Dark Knight, and more than Paladin. Fighting the Sapria outside of Castrum Oriens, I noticed that Titan-Egi was taking about 1400-1500 points of damage per normal hit. Compared to Dark Knight and Warrior (with no stance), they were taking about 900-1000 points of damage. Thus, Titan-Egi is taking about 50% more damage than the other tanking jobs. So, Titan-Egi is about the equivalent of a same level tank wearing level 1 gear.

    What compounds this is the Summoner's inability to keep Titan-Egi alive. With the loss of Sustain, the only option is Physick, which heals for 400-500 HP. No, I'm not missing a zero there. Compared to the 4000-5000 HP that SCH can heal in a single cast. And if Titan-Egi dies, the enemy that the SMN is fighting will undoubtedly kill said Summoner.

    To put simply, the ability for Summoner to solo as in 2.0 has been greatly impaired. I feel that something must be done to improve this situation. I would suggest the following:

    1) Giving Titan provoke. If the Summoner needs to resummon Titan, at least Titan can regain hate before the enemies kills the user.

    2) Give Titan-Egi a trait that will allow it to take more Healing, as a sort of a permanent Convalescent effect. This will allow the Summoner to have an easier time of keeping the Titan-Egi alive.

    3) Have the defense of Titan-Egi scale a bit better. Again, this is something that I noticed with Heavensward, but having Titan's defense scale a bit more to be similar to the other tank jobs would help it keep alive long enough for the Summoner to finish the enemy.

    I hope that Titan-Egi would be improved so that Summoner can solo things a bit easier like before.
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    Ayer2015's Avatar
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    Ayer Austen
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    Faerie
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    Red Mage Lv 90
    Given they removed sustain, I'm surprised they didn't give Titan Egi a self sustain.... It doesn't help if your solo tank Egi can't do its job.
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    Violet Flower
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    Cerberus
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    Arcanist Lv 23
    Summoner in general needs to be fixed. Dropping the job because it's no longer fun to play. Without ability to solo and great AOE what's left of SMN? Bahamut alone will not cut it.
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    Last edited by SuperZay; 06-25-2017 at 07:22 AM.

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    Nonni Brilante
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    Moogle
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    Paladin Lv 60
    Either bringing back Sustain, either as the spell itself or as a spell exclusive to Summon II, or tweak Physick for Summoners so that it's Intelligence-based rather than Mind-based and voila, problem solved.

    As for the other stuff about Summoner, it feels a lot better when you stop and realize that nearly every DPS got their heavier AoE effects nerfed.
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    Hashmael Lightswain
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    Zalera
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    I had thought of solution 2 as well, though I think devs might see an imbalance if anyone can heal Titan (or any other pet) with such a trait. I like the idea for solo, but might be too strong for group.

    Although, you don't use Titan too much in group content, and solo content probably doesn't see as much use of Garuda or Ifrit, so maybe it could be that Titan is the only one that needs such a buff.
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    Az Zurrei
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    Behemoth
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    Bard Lv 70
    Just give us back Sustain...there was zero (good) reason to take it away unless they didn't want us to be able to solo stuff with Titan-Egi. IF that was the (hidden) reason to remove Sustain, then they should have removed Titan-Egi too as he is useless without it.
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  7. #7
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    Mature Rudlum
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    Ultros
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    Arcanist Lv 70
    I don't see the point of having titan egi right now. If it was me I'll make it a DPS egi rather than a Tank one. Cause it would be nice if it was more useful in raid and dungeons
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    Sylvina Eon
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    Warrior Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Mature View Post
    I don't see the point of having titan egi right now. If it was me I'll make it a DPS egi rather than a Tank one. Cause it would be nice if it was more useful in raid and dungeons
    That wouldn't help summoner becuase theres already 2 dps egi, and there'd be no point in a third. Summoner was fun to solo with becuase of titan egi and now he sucks and dies right away. THAT is what needs fixing.
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    Diantha Sunstone
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    Goblin
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    Scholar Lv 70
    We need Sustain back. Even Scholars took a hit with it as we need our fairy up at all times more than ever with our potency per MP loss.

    But, Titan-Egi/Topaz Carbuncle feels like a useless addition if their defense is tjing garbage.
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  10. #10
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    Diesel Power
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    Balmung
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    Archer Lv 50
    There seems to be a few things that were removed without thought.

    The other one that comes to mind: Miasma II
    You can see that there is now a Miasma III, but I don't see how that should be III, when Miasma II has been vanished.
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