Black Mage Sanctuary - A Guide to DPS

[soslinky]

I've yet to calculate the PPS post-opener so I wouldn't be able to give you any info as to how effective, or shitty, playing Foul in Astral is. But in my experience running Lakshmi-Ex I managed to squeeze it in during astral without sacrificing a GCD of F4 with the use of Sharpcast and some occasions of casting 2x Foul during Umbral. I suppose if you were to miss a usage of Foul and the timer hits the 30-second mark then yes, that is a shitty use of Foul.

Could you please show me your math with the B3 opener with foul being 2 PPS more than Sharp+F1? Editing my table shows a result of 179.51 if I place a Foul at the end of the UH opener.

[Psycofang]

Scratch that nvm i used the f1 opener for sss and killed it at 1s where as other openers would kill it at 0 seconds and fail.

[Almerin]

Yeah you're right, missed a parenthesis somewhere, it is only 179.51.

The issue you're going to run into is that you simply won't have Sharpcast for your 2nd Astral, and doing double Foul with current Spell Speed will leave you to do a Blizzard 1 to keep up your stacks if anything should make you move, or you risk losing a Foul. There is no reason right now to sit on Foul stacks unless for some reason we need to double Foul anything to kill it quickly enough, which I doubt will ever happen.

The only place you can safely use Foul in Astral without any kind of procs is during your Hearts after Fire 3.

[soslinky]

Did you have any trouble fitting in Foul post-opener with the Sharp+F1?

[Psycofang]

So it seems the b3 opener falls behind the f1 opener but foul starts popping up at inopportune times, usually during AF, but b3 allows it to generally stay within UI for the majority of the time.

But for a 2:30 parse in sss susano f1 will win bit creates issues later, b3 seemingly wins later or at least smooths out the rotation.

[Psycofang]

Did you have any trouble fitting in Foul post-opener with the Sharp+F1?

Marginally yes even at 1450 ss it gets wonky because of where its spawning.

[soslinky]

Yeah you're right, missed a parenthesis somewhere, it is only 179.51.

The issue you're going to run into is that you simply won't have Sharpcast for your 2nd Astral, and doing double Foul with current Spell Speed will leave you to do a Blizzard 1 to keep up your stacks if anything should make you move, or you risk losing a Foul. There is no reason right now to sit on Foul stacks unless for some reason we need to double Foul anything to kill it quickly enough, which I doubt will ever happen.

I do agree with you when you say that Foul = Umbral Phase is the most comfortable and lines up the timing perfectly-- on a dummy. The thing is, during an actual non-dummy fight, you'll be at risk of missing a lot more casts of spells outside of Foul. I believe that's why nobody has ever agreed on a set succession of spells to use post-opener because BLMs thrive on micro adjustments due to the fight's circumstances(it's a hell of a lot more fun too).

[soslinky]

The opener is the only constant sequence of skills, with the first few seconds of a pull having no mechanics (so far), that you will ever throw out and PPS is its measure of value. I believe that your opener would not dictate how your post-opener rotation should look like as there are a ton of factors that could throw it off aside from Foul being available during Astral: Dodge mechanics, T/F procs, mana ticks, etc.

Maybe after a few days of running Lakshmi/Susano my opinion would change but right now, after 10+ runs alternating between UH & Sharp+F1, I've found the latter's post-opener experience just fine.

[Ferrasper]

Got the BLM to 70 last night, but what is this T3, F3 opener I keep hearing about?

[Inuk9]

Another question, How much Spell Speed should I have?