Is house selling okay?

[Miles_Maelstrom]

I see lot of people saying that it's fine if you are only trying to recoup the cost, but for the buyer it's really not because they are now paying double the cost of the house to get one. So later if they want to recoup they have to sell at double market value and who they sold to is now triple. It doesn't work. The housing system is supposed to be a gil sink anyway SE doesn't want you to get your money back.

The current insentive isn't about refunding gill its about bribing people to adjust population distribution to even out servers.

[LineageRazor]

The short: If you're doing anything other than buying a house under the intended mechanic, it's a violation.

You sabotaged your point with your own link. XD

In the original post of the thread you linked, Yoshi P is quoted as saying

In terms of people who are reselling, like giving up their home and then trying to sell it off for an enormous amount of gil, that sort of reselling of housing is a no-go. We do not stand for that.

When you do see a player that is obviously utilizing their housing to sell it off for a really high amount, and you do see in party finder, please let us know.

This very much implies that if a player is NOT selling for an enormous amount of gil, then the sale is perfectly legit.

This contradicts your claim that any form of sale other than "under the intended mechanic" is a violation. It's clearly not a violation, or Yoshi P wouldn't have been waffling about high prices. He would have just said "don't do it".

Basically, anyone that wants to sell a plot of land for the price they bought the plot of land for is perfectly free to do so. SE wants to crack down primarily on people (RMT, in particular) who buy up plots of land SOLELY for the purpose of selling those plots of land at a huge markup to make money without ever intending to build up the property for their own use. Their targets are NOT individuals who, for whatever reason, have a house that they just don't care to own anymore.

[Enjuden]

Is that so? Well, since you are so certain, could you please tell us what rule it would be breaking?

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...to-this-thread

Three seconds of google. I'll even put the text bigger on the tl;dr

In terms of people who are reselling, like giving up their home and then trying to sell it off for an enormous amount of gil, that sort of reselling of housing is a no-go. We do not stand for that.

When you do see a player that is obviously utilizing their housing to sell it off for a really high amount, and you do see in party finder, please let us know. Report it to us and then GM's will go in and investigate. And if we do find evidence that it is true that a certain player is going out there selling off their land for an unusually large amount of money, we will try to go in there and make them refund that gil and return the land.

We may have mentioned it before, but we do not allow people to do something as malicious as selling some of these plots. Again, once we have it reported, we will investigate and find the evidence. And once we find sufficient evidence, we will try to address it and rectify the situation.

[MomomiMomi]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...to-this-thread

Three seconds of google. I'll even put the text bigger on the tl;dr

In terms of people who are reselling, like giving up their home and then trying to sell it off for an enormous amount of gil, that sort of reselling of housing is a no-go. We do not stand for that.

When you do see a player that is obviously utilizing their housing to sell it off for a really high amount, and you do see in party finder, please let us know. Report it to us and then GM's will go in and investigate. And if we do find evidence that it is true that a certain player is going out there selling off their land for an unusually large amount of money, we will try to go in there and make them refund that gil and return the land.

We may have mentioned it before, but we do not allow people to do something as malicious as selling some of these plots. Again, once we have it reported, we will investigate and find the evidence. And once we find sufficient evidence, we will try to address it and rectify the situation.

Bolded the key words for you.

[Hamada]

Yep your firs post people are replying to is correct, there is nothing wrong with selling a plot. What they do find wrong is buying a plot, esp on the day of patch, just for the sole intent of reselling it, usually for a high amount of gil. If you are asking for basically your gil back there is nothing wrong =.=

Saying it was always wrong, well that is off too, he said that in response to people buying a small then asking for 80-100 mil for it. (Yes people did really ask for those prices)

[JunseiKei]

You sabotaged your point with your own link. XD

In the original post of the thread you linked, Yoshi P is quoted as saying

This very much implies that if a player is NOT selling for an enormous amount of gil, then the sale is perfectly legit.

This contradicts your claim that any form of sale other than "under the intended mechanic" is a violation. It's clearly not a violation, or Yoshi P wouldn't have been waffling about high prices. He would have just said "don't do it".

Basically, anyone that wants to sell a plot of land for the price they bought the plot of land for is perfectly free to do so. SE wants to crack down primarily on people (RMT, in particular) who buy up plots of land SOLELY for the purpose of selling those plots of land at a huge markup to make money without ever intending to build up the property for their own use. Their targets are NOT individuals who, for whatever reason, have a house that they just don't care to own anymore.

It's such an ambiguous statement. To me, asking for the same cost of the house is an enormous amount of gil. I don't know a world where even 100,000 is ever considered a small amount, let alone anything higher. If people are so eager to make back the gil they spent on the house, just don't enter it for 45 days. You get 80% of what you paid and you avoid ripping someone off (3m price tag VS 6m+ price tag for the same plot).

What you guys are doing, though, is stating amounts that were not even said by the staff. Enormous amount of gil can be any amount they determine, not players.

[Hamada]

It's such an ambiguous statement. To me, asking for the same cost of the house is an enormous amount of gil. I don't know a world where even 100,000 is ever considered a small amount, let alone anything higher. If people are so eager to make back the gil they spent on the house, just don't enter it for 45 days. You get 80% of what you paid and you avoid ripping someone off (3m price tag VS 6m+ price tag for the same plot).

I thought be understood relative to the base price (the price SE gives) I take it you never seen crafter mains that have cap gil on 2+ retainers? See my above post what a large amount is and what that comment came from, people where trying to sell houses at that large amounts.

[MomomiMomi]

It's such an ambiguous statement. To me, asking for the same cost of the house is an enormous amount of gil. I don't know a world where even 100,000 is ever considered a small amount, let alone anything higher. If people are so eager to make back the gil they spent on the house, just don't enter it for 45 days. You get 80% of what you paid and you avoid ripping someone off (3m price tag VS 6m+ price tag for the same plot).

What you guys are doing, though, is stating amounts that were not even said by the staff. Enormous amount of gil can be any amount they determine, not players.

But it implies that there is an amount that is acceptable.

[JunseiKei]

I thought be understood relative to the base price (the price SE gives) I take it you never seen crafter mains that have cap gil on 2+ retainers? See my above post what a large amount is and what that comment came from, people where trying to sell houses at that large amounts.

That was never stated. Like I said, the statement is vague and purposely so. Thank you, I have seen such crafter mains.

But it implies that there is an amount that is acceptable.

1 gil is still an amount.

[Hamada]

It is not vague, it is just a bit more indirect, you have to remember this is coming from a Japanese translation. You do not see the difference of someone buying a plot of land on day 1 throwing up a pf saying "small house for sale 100 M pst" and "leaving server/quitting the game 2 mil PST"

I do not know why you are having an aggressive tone with this, there is no reason to.