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    MistakeNot's Avatar
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    Auriana Redsteele
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    Paladin Lv 83
    Quote Originally Posted by Rymm View Post
    I certainly wouldn't call it "new," whichever the side of the fight you are on. Some healers aren't comfortable dps'ing and some people aren't comfortable running with healers who won't dps and there's a lot of friction between the two sides. Honestly, I've seen both sides get pretty rabid about their positions and as I don't really have strong feelings either way, I tend to steer clear of most of the arguments. Still, it's been around at least since I started playing (ARR,) though it did seem to get more heated in late HW.
    I think you misunderstand. If I read the OP correctly this is about people complaining about healers who do help with dps. Not the old complaints about healers who don't dps.
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    Lumielle Whisperwind
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    Quote Originally Posted by MistakeNot View Post
    I think you misunderstand. If I read the OP correctly this is about people complaining about healers who do help with dps. Not the old complaints about healers who don't dps.

    yes. I'm basically being harassed for helping with dps as a healer.
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    Atlas-04's Avatar
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    Atlyss Sol
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    Dancer Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Faliandra View Post
    yes. I'm basically being harassed for helping with dps as a healer.
    Are you letting people die? If so than you aren't doing your job and should focus more on healing.

    Is everyone surviving and doing a good job? Then tell the dps to stop watching you and go back to doing damage. Seriously what pos dps can notice a healer doing damage when the boss is covered in a million other explosions and spell effects.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atlas-04 View Post
    Are you letting people die? If so than you aren't doing your job and should focus more on healing.

    Is everyone surviving and doing a good job? Then tell the dps to stop watching you and go back to doing damage. Seriously what pos dps can notice a healer doing damage when the boss is covered in a million other explosions and spell effects.

    I would appreciate you reading the entry post at the VERY LEAST before engaging in a discussion. Because then you wouldve had your answer.

    99% of people dying is their own fault due to standing in the bad. People rarely die due to me dpsing.
    I am already forced to dps less because some tanks are too squishy and cba.
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    MishkaRose's Avatar
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    Mishka Rose
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    Quote Originally Posted by Faliandra View Post
    99% of people dying is their own fault due to standing in the bad. People rarely die due to me dpsing.
    I am already forced to dps less because some tanks are too squishy and cba.
    well are you leaving the tank at less than 40% hp when u start dpsing? maybe you koticed the tank slowing his pulls down if you do... if so that meand the tank dont trust you because your leaving his hp stupid low and he can die from any medium powered hit
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    Uriel Valesti
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    I know this a necroed thread but...

    Quote Originally Posted by MishkaRose View Post
    its more the tank ... being a healer / tank main myself it find it frustrating that all the healers that are DPSing leave my hp at less that 30% (almost anything can 1hit me)
    Quote Originally Posted by MishkaRose View Post
    i think its more healers seem to think its ok to leave your hp at 20% as they start to dps
    Quote Originally Posted by MishkaRose View Post
    well are you leaving the tank at less than 40% hp when u start dpsing? maybe you koticed the tank slowing his pulls down if you do... if so that meand the tank dont trust you because your leaving his hp stupid low and he can die from any medium powered hit
    Any healer who ignores healing the tank while DPSing is, generally, a bad healer. There are some situations where a healer can push more DPS and let the tank drop lower (Benediction is up, boss is almost dead, etc.) but a healer's job is to keep the team alive.

    That all aside I see this argument a lot. Letting you drop low does not mean the healer is ignoring your health. I let tanks drop low all the time because I know I can save them. Sometimes I screw up, everyone makes mistakes, but far more often than not I am able to squeeze out extra DPS and keep the tank from dying. Even if you are sitting at 30% of your maximum HP for a bit you're still alive, so I don't see the use in complaining.
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    Dirk Gently
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atlas-04 View Post
    Are you letting people die? If so than you aren't doing your job and should focus more on healing.

    Is everyone surviving and doing a good job? Then tell the dps to stop watching you and go back to doing damage. Seriously what pos dps can notice a healer doing damage when the boss is covered in a million other explosions and spell effects.
    Anybody with eyes, you mean? AOE damage spells aren't subtle.

    Edit: Ears are good too. the Stone sound effects in particular you can hear wooshing by as they are being spammed.
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    Last edited by savageink; 06-23-2017 at 09:24 AM.

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    Mishka Rose
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    Shiva
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atlas-04 View Post
    Are you letting people die? If so than you aren't doing your job and should focus more on healing.

    Is everyone surviving and doing a good job? Then tell the dps to stop watching you and go back to doing damage. Seriously what pos dps can notice a healer doing damage when the boss is covered in a million other explosions and spell effects.
    its more the tank ... being a healer / tank main myself it find it frustrating that all the healers that are DPSing leave my hp at less that 30% (almost anything can 1hit me)
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    Chloe Lehideux
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    Samurai Lv 74
    Quote Originally Posted by MishkaRose View Post
    its more the tank ... being a healer / tank main myself it find it frustrating that all the healers that are DPSing leave my hp at less that 30% (almost anything can 1hit me)
    It happens in dungeons, because not all healers are good enough, but in raids and trials they are welcome to dps more than healing only.

    I dont like it either if as a tank i see healing spell casted once in a while, but i also have seen phenomenal healers that was keeping me 70%+ hp and was dealing damage at the same time.
    Each players needs a practice, it takes some time before they learn how to balance the things out to keep a tank alive and dps at the same time, its fine because the healers playstyle is more involving and more interesting to play than healing only thing, which a lot of people dont find attractive enough to play.
    FFXIV found a good way of encouraging people to play other than dps classes, a healers expected of dpsing makes this class more interesting to play than healing bot.
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    Krotoan Argaviel
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    Sargatanas
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    Quote Originally Posted by MishkaRose View Post
    its more the tank ... being a healer / tank main myself it find it frustrating that all the healers that are DPSing leave my hp at less that 30% (almost anything can 1hit me)
    .. why the necro?
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    WHERE IS THIS KETTLE EVERYONE KEEPS INTRODUCING ME TO?

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