Criticism on Stormblood's Monk

[Fireselecta]

... And that is why MNK is still on top of the DPS chart over SAM because SE knows what it's doing (as hard as that is for some to believe).

Sorry to say this but no, SAM has a crazy DPS, higher than monks... I'm not the best monk ever obviously, but, I know my job and I knew the fight I did yesterday with a SAM (Susano Ex).
The SAM was outdpsing us (we were two monks in the party), even when I had 'luck' and got many FC along with few mechanics to deal with, close to 100% GL3 uptime (only lost it once for the sword phase), positionnals done correctly and Demolish applied all the time, the SAM was on top for every kills (and the RDM far behind btw...).
So yeah, we've probably lost our spot on top of the DPS chart...

[KingFrost]

Was this taking Brotherhood into account at all? I can't help but feel that would close the gap, ironically more so with the Sam being there.

[edgefusion]

Sorry to say this but no, SAM has a crazy DPS, higher than monks... I'm not the best monk ever obviously, but, I know my job and I knew the fight I did yesterday with a SAM (Susano Ex).
The SAM was outdpsing us (we were two monks in the party), even when I had 'luck' and got many FC along with few mechanics to deal with, close to 100% GL3 uptime (only lost it once for the sword phase), positionnals done correctly and Demolish applied all the time, the SAM was on top for every kills (and the RDM far behind btw...).
So yeah, we've probably lost our spot on top of the DPS chart...

We've definitely lost our top spot on the chart. If this is to be believed we're not even 2.....or 3, or 4, or 5. In Heavensward people didn't want us because although we had the personal DPS we didn't bring the raid utility. In Stormblood we don't have the personal DPS and we don't have enough raid utility.

[Guesswhat]

Correct, Riddle of Fire is poorly designed. The % loss in speed makes me only use it if I have several of my burst skills ready.

In another thread I suggested that RoF could be changed like this:
RoF makes all your weaponskills grant a GL stack + increase weaponskill speed. Now you can actually use Tornado kick without popping PB or wait for situation.
Or simply make it so TK doesn't deplete your GLs + increase skill speed while RoF is active.

[Eisenhower]

Riddle of Fire could have been a reverse Embolden, where it grows in +%dmg every X seconds (through stacks) until you take damage or until the buff runs out. It makes the ability greedy, and requires good timing for it to shine. Pop it at a bad time and you'll drop the damage buff. Use it sometime safe and you'll get a tasty boost.

Riddle of Earth could have been a counter thing, where taking damage makes the monk counterattack with Haymaker or even a ki-strike if you'd want monk to have a ranged counter.

Riddle of Wind could have made Wind Tackle reach longer, and deal damage based on distance travelled. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[edgefusion]

Riddle of Fire could have been a reverse Embolden, where it grows in +%dmg every X seconds (through stacks) until you take damage or until the buff runs out. It makes the ability greedy, and requires good timing for it to shine. Pop it at a bad time and you'll drop the damage buff. Use it sometime safe and you'll get a tasty boost.

Riddle of Earth could have been a counter thing, where taking damage makes the monk counterattack with Haymaker or even a ki-strike if you'd want monk to have a ranged counter.

Riddle of Wind could have made Wind Tackle reach longer, and deal damage based on distance travelled. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

These all sound like great ideas, but it just makes me sadder to face the reality of what we got.

[Brownondorf]

i absolutely hate Riddle of fire, its so contradictory, it feels like losing your GL stacks when you use it.
Riddle of earth is also quite useless. It works on Susanoo for the phase transition but dont work for Lakshmi for exemple...
With the TP reduction for most skills, you can now spam AOE all day during dungeon but other than that, i can't help but feels like monk is BORING to play compared to Heavensward's monk.

I kinda regret leveling monk first this time.

[Fhyrr]

We've definitely lost our top spot on the chart. If this is to be believed we're not even 2.....or 3, or 4, or 5. In Heavensward people didn't want us because although we had the personal DPS we didn't bring the raid utility. In Stormblood we don't have the personal DPS and we don't have enough raid utility.

This. We have neither. I wouldn't mind letting go of pure dps and leave that spot for SAM as long as we get the promised Raid utility. As things currently stand, we got neither. Our DPS took a massive hit compared to other melees, as we only took nerfs in them and the loss of DoTs that helped us regulate our stance timers without losing GCDs and without clipping DoTs and buffs. I know all classes lost stuff, but those that did, got buffs in other things, whereas we didn't. Mathmatically we are inferior to how we were in heavensward... and this would be FINE if it was the price for actual raid utility.

As Brotherhood stands, the concept is nice mind you; but 5% in a short aoe to PHYSICAL dmg only every 90 seconds for 15 seconds is a joke. Not just from the 'buff' it is, but from the lack of affecting the monk itself. The chakras only proc from weaponskills too, instead from abilities. It would be fine if we got overlfow of chakra... we won't lose dps from too much of it. We will from too little.

We are no utility and no raid buffing. It blows and needs to be looked at. And don't even get me started on the 'new abilities'...