Summoner and the upcoming changes

[DkDerek]

I can live with every change, except for aethertrail and aetherflow being on the same bar. If for some reason I lose a stack (missed bane) and end up with two stacks of aethertrail and no aetherflow, i now WASTE 2 more stacks when using the next aetherflow,

I can't even just get rid of aethertrail stacks. Let me click them off or something. Its actually brutal. As long as these two are combined on the UI bar, this class is going to have some serious problems.

[Tsukaasa]

I can live with every change, except for aethertrail and aetherflow being on the same bar. If for some reason I lose a stack (missed bane) and end up with two stacks of aethertrail and no aetherflow, i now WASTE 2 more stacks when using the next aetherflow,

I can't even just get rid of aethertrail stacks. Let me click them off or something. Its actually brutal. As long as these two are combined on the UI bar, this class is going to have some serious problems.

Yeah, if you miss a fester on an invincible boss your dps is pretty much screwed, because you have to wait for the next aetherflow stacks, and you wont get 3 stacks but just 1(since there is only one slot available), at least they could give us the ability to reset the aethertrail stacks.

And the removal of sustain is so annoying. Also when you get raised you don't have enought mp right back so summon your pet iirc.(not sure about that actually)

I just got to lvl 70 yesterday, and maybe it's my latency or something i don't know, but when bahamut is out, he doesn't seem to attack 3 times if i cast ruin -> ruin 2 -> fester.
So i don't know if it's really important to wait for aetherflow to cast bahamut, or maybe only spam ruin 2 in this phase instead of ruin and use ogcd skills.

[Dyvid]

Yeah, if you miss a fester on an invincible boss your dps is pretty much screwed, because you have to wait for the next aetherflow stacks, and you wont get 3 stacks but just 1(since there is only one slot available), at least they could give us the ability to reset the aethertrail stacks.

And the removal of sustain is so annoying. Also when you get raised you don't have enought mp right back so summon your pet iirc.(not sure about that actually)

I just got to lvl 70 yesterday, and maybe it's my latency or something i don't know, but when bahamut is out, he doesn't seem to attack 3 times if i cast ruin -> ruin 2 -> fester.
So i don't know if it's really important to wait for aetherflow to cast bahamut, or maybe only spam ruin 2 in this phase instead of ruin and use ogcd skills.

Wyrmwave has a 1.5s recast

[Pyitoechito]

I can live with every change, except for aethertrail and aetherflow being on the same bar. If for some reason I lose a stack (missed bane) and end up with two stacks of aethertrail and no aetherflow, i now WASTE 2 more stacks when using the next aetherflow,

I can't even just get rid of aethertrail stacks. Let me click them off or something. Its actually brutal. As long as these two are combined on the UI bar, this class is going to have some serious problems.

So have there actually been reported cases of this occurring? Like, missing an AF skill or casting it on an invulnerable target expends the stack without gaining an Aethertrail Attunement?

I have zero experience with Summoner, but I feel like the solution to this issue is simple for the developers (if this isn't the case already): Have Aetherflow-spending abilities always proc Aethertrail Attunement when used, regardless of whether or not the ability hits or deals damage to the intended target. So spending three Aetherflow stacks will always grant three Aethertrail stacks, even if Bane misses or Fester deals zero damage.

I would like to know if there have been reported cases of Aetherflow-consuming abilities not granting Aethertrail Attunement if they miss or are fully-absorbed in 4.0.

[Tsukaasa]

Yes, for example if you bane a target without dot or fester an invincible boss, the aetherflow stack is used and you gain nothing, so you are stucked with 1 blank slot and for example 2 aethertrail stacks.

So next time aetherflow is up and you use it, you will gain just 1 remaining slot of aetherflow. (because since SB, aetherflow stacks and aethertrail stacks are fused on 3 slots)