Lupin - make it a playable race!

[Abriael]

Don't rain on others parade just because you don't agree.
Just let people enjoy and wish for what they want.
Or are you gonna tell them about Santa aswell?

Sorry (not sorry) to rain on your parade, but this is a discussion forum. The "general discussion" at the top of the page should be enough of a hint for you to understand that it's made for discussion. If you want to express your wishes without anyone discussing them (and that includes negative discussion), a blog or a tumblr with locked comments are what you're looking for.

[Evergrey]

Sorry (not sorry) to rain on your parade, but this is a discussion forum. The "general discussion" at the top of the page should be enough of a hint for you to understand that it's made for discussion. If you want to express your wishes without anyone discussing them (and that includes negative discussion), a blog or a tumblr with locked comments are what you're looking for.

Same thing can be said about the Viera thread. When people try to Discuss about why they don't want it they are wrong in doing so.
So why is it OK to want something but not OK to want something else? That's all I'm trying to say.
Let people want what they want.

[Ogulbuk]

Same thing can be said about the Viera thread. When people try to Discuss about why they don't want it they are wrong in doing so.
So why is it OK to want something but not OK to want something else? That's all I'm trying to say.
Let people want what they want.

My guess is because they fear developers will see the threads and decide to actually give us new stuff that they don't like.

[Abriael]

Same thing can be said about the Viera thread. When people try to Discuss about why they don't want it they are wrong in doing so.

I sure did not tell anyone not to discuss anything in this forum. It's not my place to do so. Nor is it yours.

So why is it OK to want something but not OK to want something else? That's all I'm trying to say.

You're saying that to the wrong person. For all I care, go to the Viera thread and do your worst. It won't change the fact that Viera are without a doubt a better balance between investment and returns/marketing for SE, whether you or me like them or not.

Let people want what they want.

You're entitled to want want whatever you like, as much as I am entitled to tell you why It most probably won't happen, and why it shouldn't.

[KazumaFaemura]

Snippy snap

Quite frankly your reasons for why it shouldn't are bull crap. You try to defend this game's lore like it's a baby and honestly the lore is spotty at best. As others have said there is absolutely no reason it shouldn't happen even from a story stand point and I stand by that till the end. As others have stated and I was going to bring up a brand new Au'ra that no one has ever seen before and no one bats a damn eye? I for one am sick of these races.

[Abriael]

Quite frankly your reasons for why it shouldn't are bull crap. You try to defend this game's lore like it's a baby and honestly the lore is spotty at best. As others have said there is absolutely no reason it shouldn't happen even from a story stand point and I stand by that till the end. As others have stated and I was going to bring up a brand new Au'ra that no one has ever seen before and no one bats a damn eye? I for one am sick of these races.

I thought you were done with me because *insert random insult here* Make up your own mind, will you?

You keep bringing up the Au Ra, ignoring the fact that the Au Ra aren't beastmen. There's absolutely nothing anywhere in the game's dialogue that conflicts with au ra being warriors of light and members of the scions. There are plenty of reasons. The fact that you don't want to accept it because you're so in love with the idea of playing a furry race that you get really heated if someone argues against it, is pretty much inconsequential.

You're also confusing the "lore" with the existing game dialogue. It's not just the lore that paints beastmen as something intrinsically extraneous to the warrior of light and the scions. It's the game's own script.

Yet the last races added to WoW were werewolf, goblin and a big panda. You know why? Because they realized that the "pretty/human" base was already over-served. As a game dev myself, I would consider it a waste of resources to invest more in an already over-served segment of the player base. Attracting players that have not been catered to would be a way more wise investment of my time and resources. However, it also has to be a skeleton that can easily get gear migration from other races and wear helmets with little or no modification.

As "a game dev yourself" (unproven, but let's give you the benefit of the doubt), you should probably realize that WoW is in an entirely different situation with its audience and resources. They have a much larger active crowd, which makes catering to smaller niches still profitable, and a lot more inertia and critical mass which means that they don't need as many marketing crutches to stay afloat. A minority of the WoW playerbase is a hell of a lot bigger than a minority of the FFXIV playerbase.

On top of that, WOW encourages alts, which means that each players will create more characters, making a higher degree of variety more beneficial. On the other hand, Final Fantasy XIV's game system are the exact opposite, actively discouraging the creation of alts, causing more to stick to vanilla/cool/handsome/cute/sexy characters, as it's their only in-game alter-ego.

If you think that a completely unknown wolf race would have a bigger or even remotely comparable promotional effect than one of Final Fantasy's most iconic races, which on top of that is about to be brought back under the spotlight by a remaster, I certainly hope for your sake that you're sticking to development and not handling the marketing of whatever game you're working on.

I would say that knife cuts both ways. Few people posting against it over and over on this kind of thread are not a real opposition either.

Interesting moot point responding to nothing, considering that no one argued that the masses are against it.

[Rysir]

More duff

Gonna be real with you. People are more likely getting heated with you not because you argue against something they want but its because you have this clear undying desire to constantly chime in to stay relevant after already saying your piece 30 times. We heard you the first time.

It really looks like you are trying to fill this thread with repeated "it cant happen" statements to bloat your argument numbers. Disagreeing is fine but do you really need to repeat your act to every person who says they want Lupins as a race? Its not a war effort you know.

[Abriael]

Gonna be real with you. People are more likely getting heated with you not because you argue against something they want but its because you have this clear undying desire to constantly chime in to stay relevant after already saying your piece 30 times. We heard you the first time.

It really looks like you are trying to fill this thread with repeated "it cant happen" statements to bloat your argument numbers. Disagreeing is fine but do you really need to repeat your act to every person who says they want Lupins as a race? Its not a war effort you know.

Nope. It's a discussion. A discussion is by definition made of back and forth.

I'm sure you'd find it very convenient if everyone who thinks this won't or shouldn't happen just came, said their piece, and then permanently left, leaving those in support of the idea to circlepat their shoulders over and over with no opposition. But you're not doing it, so why should I or anyone else? We heard you the first time as well. Yet you're still here.

If people get heated, it's their issue, mind you. It only exposes the weakness of their arguments.

We all know why it probably won't happen. We don't care. We still want it.

Good for you, as long as you're good at dealing with disappointment. Considering how some get angry when someone dares to discuss against their ideas for a new race, I can only imagine how they'll react if SE announces something else (or nothing at all), as it most probably will happen.

Whether or not SE takes up for what people desire is up to them. Not you.

"people" is a big word. The content of this thread is hardly the expression of "what people desire." It's expresses what a few individuals desire.

[KazumaFaemura]

You really like your TLDRs

I'm not stating that they are a beast tribe and that's not the point I'm attempting to get across. I'm just saying within the confines of the game as we know now, the Au'Ra are from Doma and across the Ruby Sea, yet ours just starts as any other race. It clashes with the game as a whole.

[Abriael]

I'm not stating that they are a beast tribe and that's not the point I'm attempting to get across. I'm just saying within the confines of the game as we know now, the Au'Ra are from Doma and across the Ruby Sea, yet ours just starts as any other race. It clashes with the game as a whole.

Only it does not. Simply because there is no part in the current dialogue that clashes with the idea of a Doman or a Au Ra to be the warrior of light. The world isn't a series of airtight compartments. People travel and the fact that Domans and Au Ra simply did not appear in the game before their implementation doesn't mean that they didn't exist in Eorzea. They simply weren't depicted. Just like half-breeds always existed and exist in Eorzea even before Hylda was implemented.

On the other hand, the existing dialogue of the game makes a point to indicate beast tribes as something alien and extraneous to the warrior of light and his companions basically all the way through the story of 1.0 to 4.0. That story doesn't go away (1.X aside), and is still fully playable.

Also I stick around this thread because I hold interest in the topic and would enjoy if lupins became a player race and thus would like to see what others think so I should leave why? You just stick around just to keep telling people it cant happen. Youre probably the most stale piece of Balmungian bread on the forum.

Oh, how cute, a little random personal attack. I stick around because I'm interested in the discussion. I'm interested in the long-term success of this game, and I believe that the implementation of the lupin over potentially much more popular races would be detrimental to that. The implementation of a new race is a big deal visibility and promotion-wise, and I'm definitely interested in seeing that exploited as best as possible, because that means a game that I'll enjoy longer, with more resources and by consequence more content for me and everyone else.

As you have your interests, I have mine, and I'll argue my points as much as I deem necessary, with or without your permission.

Good thing that's not up to you to decide.

Nope. It's not up to me to decide. The fact that this thread represents just the desire of individuals and not "the people" is simply a fact.