The boring mage of red

[Mindiori]

I'm very happy to have a simple job. There are plenty of alternatives if you want more complication in your dps jobs.

Not every job needs to be the same difficulty/complication level. Some people are less skilled, or just don't enjoy doing the gymnastics other jobs take. HW took away the only simple job when they added enochian, so it's nice they added an alternative.

So please don't try to take away the single easy dps job, you have 8 others you can play of varying complexity if this one is too simple for you.

I know that player skill varies but all too often I feel like this works both ways. I.e 'I like a class that takes zero effort what so ever, so you should just accept it'.

In reality there seems to be no common ground between the opinions. Mine is that this game was already on the 'far too easy' side and to hear people defend its simplicity now is damn right ludicrous to me (personally), because I enjoy a challenge. Having too much respect for people generally (believe it or not) I refuse to believe that anything in this game can be remotely considered hard at all. With the removal of so many stance requirements, dots or otherwise the early game seems tedious and the late game by all accounts ive heard a shell of its former self.

Maybe as many have remarked, this genre or type of game isn't for people like me anymore. So don't read the post as if I can't accept various points of view.

I just think its a shame that I can't have a challenging red mage, or in fact any class at all that I would like - because they are all hilariously easy now. And my opinion might as well not be given at all :/

[Tila]

I know that player skill varies but all too often I feel like this works both ways. I.e 'I like a class that takes zero effort what so ever, so you should just accept it'.

In reality there seems to be no common ground between the opinions. Mine is that this game was already on the 'far too easy' side and to hear people defend its simplicity now is damn right ludicrous to me (personally), because I enjoy a challenge. Having too much respect for people generally (believe it or not) I refuse to believe that anything in this game can be remotely considered hard at all. With the removal of so many stance requirements, dots or otherwise the early game seems tedious and the late game by all accounts ive heard a shell of its former self.

Maybe as many have remarked, this genre or type of game isn't for people like me anymore. So don't read the post as if I can't accept various points of view.

I just think its a shame that I can't have a challenging red mage, or in fact any class at all that I would like - because they are all hilariously easy now. And my opinion might as well not be given at all :/

There are plenty of options for harder classes at the moment, except tanks. Are you sure you're not just frustrated that the job you wanted to be difficult isnt?

[Mindiori]

There are plenty of options for harder classes at the moment, except tanks. Are you sure you're not just frustrated that the job you wanted to be difficult isnt?

I don't play the class, in all honesty I've mostly quit - because the game is now even easier and enough is enough for me.

But if that was my opinion, what exactly would be wrong with that? I grow tired of peoples imposition of simplicity. Someone can't handle something about as challenging as a trip to the bathroom thats on them. I fail to see why simplicity should be enforced on those who wish something different.

People are notorious for saying 'there are harder games out there so go to one of those'. Charming how that sort of thing is one sided. In short then yes, it would have been nice if I found something remotely difficult and yes - I accept I am but one opinion. I however maintain, that games were supposed to appeal to all sorts of players. Skilled and less so. Not appease people who can barely handle a single combo chain without complaining.

Thats why I said there is no solution. People think this game is super challenging as perhaps you do? Fine. I've no problem with that. I however too take a bit of an issue with people continually saying 'no everything is fine, go and play something else.' Because as fine as that may be for them, its still selfish and one sided.

If you are happy with red mage great. If I'm not - great. Its just a pity people these days don't enjoy any kind of challenge whatsoever and when they do - they find themselves subject to bullying (not saying that was your intention here). Good day.

[Tila]

I don't play the class, in all honesty I've mostly quit - because the game is now even easier and enough is enough for me.

But if that was my opinion, what exactly would be wrong with that? I grow tired of peoples imposition of simplicity. Someone can't handle something about as challenging as a trip to the bathroom thats on them. I fail to see why simplicity should be enforced on those who wish something different.

People are notorious for saying 'there are harder games out there so go to one of those'. Charming how that sort of thing is one sided. In short then yes, it would have been nice if I found something remotely difficult and yes - I accept I am but one opinion. I however maintain, that games were supposed to appeal to all sorts of players. Skilled and less so. Not appease people who can barely handle a single combo chain without complaining.

Thats why I said there is no solution. People think this game is super challenging as perhaps you do? Fine. I've no problem with that. I however too take a bit of an issue with people continually saying 'no everything is fine, go and play something else.' Because as fine as that may be for them, its still selfish and one sided.

If you are happy with red mage great. If I'm not - great. Its just a pity people these days don't enjoy any kind of challenge whatsoever and when they do - they find themselves subject to bullying (not saying that was your intention here). Good day.

No it goes both ways. I know people who wanted to like NIN but felt the class was to rapid and/or the ninjutsu to much to keep track of, and my answer to them was: play an easier class then.

Is the class to easy? Play a harder one then. Class to hard? Play an easier one.

Whats selfish is insisting all classes be complicated. Its not selfish to say "Dont like the easy class? Play a hard one then".

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

No it goes both ways. I know people who wanted to like NIN but felt the class was to rapid and/or the ninjutsu to much to keep track of, and my answer to them was: play an easier class then.

Is the class to easy? Play a harder one then. Class to hard? Play an easier one.

Whats selfish is insisting all classes be complicated. Its not selfish to say "Dont like the easy class? Play a hard one then".

The only remotely complicated job in the game is SAM and even then that only comes down to resource management. It would certainly be nice if there actually were complex classes in the game though, wouldn't it? Because to be bloody frank, there really isn't, outside of maybe Samurai.

[Inuk9]

I really don't like the fact RDM has so many equal skills with different animations. Verthunder=Veraero, Verfire=verstone, verholy=verflare.

The only difference is the type of mana you get by casting those.

The only remotely complicated job in the game is SAM and even then that only comes down to resource management. It would certainly be nice if there actually were complex classes in the game though, wouldn't it? Because to be bloody frank, there really isn't, outside of maybe Samurai.

To say that, you must have all jobs at 70 already. If not, please shut up.