Change Hissatsu: Seigan plz

[Furious]

It does not possess any problems for healers as long as you use it intelligently. That's like saying Blood for Blood causes issues, yet good usage of it has been fine for years now. As a DPS if you have your b4b on at a time that is inappropriate will result in death. It is the same. Risk and reward. Just because you can doesn't mean you should and all that.

Blood for blood causes you to take more damage IF you get hit. Using it appropriately will mean you don't get hit most of the time and take the extra damage.

Seigan REQUIRES you to get hit. You cannot do the extra damage without taking damage first.

The two are not alike.

[Sylve]

Blood for blood causes you to take more damage IF you get hit. Using it appropriately will mean you don't get hit most of the time and take the extra damage.

Seigan REQUIRES you to get hit. You cannot do the extra damage without taking damage first.

The two are not alike.

You say that like theres no such thing as unavoidable party damage.
Does Third Eye say "Take aggro from the boss and nearly die"? No, it does not. Getting hit doesn't have to mean getting beaten to within an inch of your life, it just means good SAMs will learn to predict that incoming party damage and activate Third Eye to take advantage of having taken damage.

You won't be taking "Extra" damage to trigger it, Its up to the SAM to learn the times when it CAN be triggered.

[Furious]

You say that like theres no such thing as unavoidable party damage.
Does Third Eye say "Take aggro from the boss and nearly die"? No, it does not. Getting hit doesn't have to mean getting beaten to within an inch of your life, it just means good SAMs will learn to predict that incoming party damage and activate Third Eye to take advantage of having taken damage.

You won't be taking "Extra" damage to trigger it, Its up to the SAM to learn the times when it CAN be triggered.

Good sams wont be taking unrequired damage to do extra damage, but bad sams can intentionally take extra damage to do extra damage. Third eye is on a 15 second cooldown. The highest damage a sam can do involves intentionally taking damage every 15 seconds.

I'm not speaking from nowhere here, this is a mechanic that has failed badly in many previous mmorpgs. If there is a way to do more damage by standing in the fire, a huge number of players do so intentionally.

[Sylve]

Good sams wont be taking unrequired damage to do extra damage, but bad sams can intentionally take extra damage to do extra damage. Third eye is on a 15 second cooldown. The highest damage a sam can do involves intentionally taking damage every 15 seconds.

I'm not speaking from nowhere here, this is a mechanic that has failed badly in many previous mmorpgs. If there is a way to do more damage by standing in the fire, a huge number of players do so intentionally.

So what you're suggesting is to change the functionality of the ability because bad people might do dumb things with it?

... OK.

Edit: I should point out that the ability is meant to be used while solo. A situation where you will frequently be receiving damage.
This is a case of an ability designed for solo play that just happens to have function in party play that skilled players can take advantage of.

[Furious]

So what you're suggesting is to change the functionality of the ability because bad people might do dumb things with it?

... OK.

Edit: I should point out that the ability is meant to be used while solo. A situation where you will frequently be receiving damage.
This is a case of an ability designed for solo play that just happens to have function in party play that skilled players can take advantage of.

No; my suggestion is to change the functionality because bad people will do dumb things with it _and think they are doing the right thing_.

Not really any point continuing to reply; experience and evidence already tells us what will happen. Wait and see.

[silentwindfr]

No; my suggestion is to change the functionality because bad people will do dumb things with it _and think they are doing the right thing_.

Not really any point continuing to reply; experience and evidence already tells us what will happen. Wait and see.

a good sam don't take hit, he give them...
yes for the kenki usage seigan is very good, however, often in hard fight, you prefer use your self heal than seigan for...survive? (especially in fight like shin ryu)