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  1. #61
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    Kaedan's Avatar
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    Kaedan Burkhardt
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    Atomos
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    I was on the fence before about DRK or PLD, as I was main PLD before HW and switched to DRK with HW... but before the patch notes I was definitely still going to tank.

    Now I'm seriously considering changing to RDM and saying screw the queues to spite SE for horrible decision-making.
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  2. #62
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    Will Brannigan
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    Paladin Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by aleph_null View Post
    Edit: nevermind, just saw your edit lol.
    yeah I forgot it was 50/action. Not really calling it as good/bad (seems bretty good though, a slightly weaker IB), just calling it what it is. Intervention might see some use while MTing though. Mechanics like missiles in A1S or sizzlebeams in a7s aren't that uncommon, and helping out with them might be good to do sometimes. Another example would be a shared tank buster where your sentinel is enough to survive, you can give the other tank 30% mitigation.
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  3. #63
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    Kane Blackstone
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    Ultros
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    Dark Knight Lv 90
    The DRK changes along with the overall nerfing of tanks is just awful.

    I really loved the DRK class, the story, the gameplay. I don't know whether to ragequit the game or just play Samurai and Ninja only now.
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  4. #64
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    Shurrikhan's Avatar
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    Tani Shirai
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    Cactuar
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    Monk Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaedan View Post
    I was on the fence before about DRK or PLD, as I was main PLD before HW and switched to DRK with HW... but before the patch notes I was definitely still going to tank.

    Now I'm seriously considering changing to RDM and saying screw the queues to spite SE for horrible decision-making.
    If the heal requirements are as little as before, just go 3-4 DPS via PF instead of 1/2/1 via DF.
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  5. #65
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    SunSand's Avatar
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    Mari Qalihin
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    Lamia
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    Scholar Lv 72
    Quote Originally Posted by Falar View Post
    The DRK changes along with the overall nerfing of tanks is just awful.

    I really loved the DRK class, the story, the gameplay. I don't know whether to ragequit the game or just play Samurai and Ninja only now.
    I don't blame you. I think alot of people are going to be confused about what to do too. I didnt feel this demotivated even at the 3.0 content lull.
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  6. #66
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    Kane Blackstone
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    Ultros
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    Dark Knight Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaedan View Post
    I was on the fence before about DRK or PLD, as I was main PLD before HW and switched to DRK with HW... but before the patch notes I was definitely still going to tank.

    Now I'm seriously considering changing to RDM and saying screw the queues to spite SE for horrible decision-making.
    I, too, was a PLD in 2.0 and then when HW came out was very excited to play DRK and switched and loved the class.

    If I continue playing the game I will never touch a tank to spite SE for ruining what was good, they had it so that tanking was actually fun in 3.xx.
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  7. #67
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    Blue Waifflu
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    Zalera
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    Warrior Lv 70
    Well, I was already planning on playing PLD and WAR more equally just because invisible shield glamour is now a thing, so... I guess I chose a good time to play PLD more? O_o

    Even so, I can't say I'm thrilled at the idea of ditching my WAR roots entirely for a monotonous tank meta. I'll ultimately cap out all my tanks at 70, but that's just all the more reason I'm keeping my fingers crossed for actual balance by the next patch.

    And as much as I want to level RDM first out of spite, my friends still need a tank for MSQ. Furthermore, they're too used to seeing me as a formally dressed yandere cat girl, so I better cling to my axe!

    But if it'll help send Square a message, I'll avoid PUGing as a tank at least...
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    Last edited by Baalzebulzak; 06-16-2017 at 04:57 PM.

  8. #68
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    Furious Laughter
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    Ravana
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    Quote Originally Posted by InfiniDragon View Post
    Exactly. Anyone with this train of thought isn't helping a thing as quite frankly, it's rather backwards.

    We should want all tanks to be good, not a cycling "flavor of the month" scenario.

    Players of X bad class: "Y is too strong, we are too weak, fix it please"
    Players of Y: "It's fine, everything is fine, you have strengths and weaknesses"
    Change happens:
    Y: "HOLY FUCK X IS GOD CLASS WE SUCK"
    X: "It's our turn to shine, enjoy the dust!"

    It's like a css template for balance discussion in MMOs. You're right; it should be the goal of everyone to achieve balance. But, unless you were actively fighting for it while you were on top, you cannot legitimately denigrate people who berate you for complaining when the situation is reversed.

    If there are warriors and darks who were actively advocating for tank balance in 2.0, more power to you; I do hope it gets fixed.
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  9. #69
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    Suzuko Seki
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    Dancer Lv 90
    Because I want to zoro slash things.
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  10. #70
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    Thoro Heavypunch
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    Monk Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Furious View Post
    Players of X bad class: "Y is too strong, we are too weak, fix it please"
    Players of Y: "It's fine, everything is fine, you have strengths and weaknesses"
    Change happens:
    Y: "HOLY FUCK X IS GOD CLASS WE SUCK"
    X: "It's our turn to shine, enjoy the dust!"

    It's like a css template for balance discussion in MMOs. You're right; it should be the goal of everyone to achieve balance. But, unless you were actively fighting for it while you were on top, you cannot legitimately denigrate people who berate you for complaining when the situation is reversed.

    If there are warriors and darks who were actively advocating for tank balance in 2.0, more power to you; I do hope it gets fixed.
    There were plenty of Warriors and DRKs in the past expansion that advocated for tank balance. In contrast, I think your example is actually reversed and currently false in your original post.
    I experienced plenty of PLDs in 3.x that were in plain denial about their Job's shortcomings, while I saw plenty other WAR's and DRK's discuss and emphasize PLD's shortcoming, increasing the general awareness about it. It was actually rare to see a DRK/WAR completely ignorant about PLD being left behind in 3.x .

    Or to express it in your kind of example:
    DRK/WAR: PLD is weak for these and these reasons.
    PLD: Shut up, my class is fine!
    Change happens:
    DRK/WAR: "HOLY FUCK PLD IS GOD CLASS WE SUCK"
    PLD: "It's our turn to shine, enjoy the dust!"
    In the end, it wont change much for me personally. If PLD is indeed OP, I will switch to PLD while I complain regularily about DRK/WAR until they get fixed as well.
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    Last edited by Thoro39; 06-16-2017 at 05:07 PM.

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