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  1. #71
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    Furiea's Avatar
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    Kanzaki Furia
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    Tonberry
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    Paladin Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaedan View Post
    PLD is now the strongest of tanks. Aesthetics aside, there is no reason to play any tank except PLD now. And I know a lot of people who aren't willing to trade effectiveness for aesthetics.
    because PLD can block magic? I read all the changes and etc.. and never felt like PLD was OP. just like the fact that shield with magic defense can actually block magic.
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  2. #72
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    Don't really care what is considered "good" what i play is based around how fun i find it and the aesthetics of the job. Given all the changes to how most jobs play i will spend my time in the beginning finding the feel of the jobs then start playing what i am vibing with .
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  3. #73
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    Shurrikhan's Avatar
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    Tani Shirai
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    Cactuar
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    Monk Lv 100
    I will likely despise my primary jobs of each role now, so, yes. Monk, Bard, Dark Knight, and White Mage are dead to me. I'll probably swap to DRG/SAM, RDM, Paladin, and Astrologian in their places, even though the first is worse off gameplay-wise and the latter rather meh in its additions, imo.
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  4. #74
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    Conna's Avatar
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    Kaos Conna
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    Diabolos
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    Arcanist Lv 71
    Quote Originally Posted by Furiea View Post
    because PLD can block magic? I read all the changes and etc.. and never felt like PLD was OP. just like the fact that shield with magic defense can actually block magic.
    Its more like if you read the other 2 classes theres not really much to them that says "tank" they have less cds, less utility, and even less dmg. Overall don't really feel like theres anything they do that makes them an equal or better choice to a pld.
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  5. #75
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    Kaedan Burkhardt
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Furiea View Post
    because PLD can block magic? I read all the changes and etc.. and never felt like PLD was OP. just like the fact that shield with magic defense can actually block magic.
    I don't think you read all the changes then.

    PLD had it's potency boosted so high that it is now equal or higher than both WAR and DRK.
    PLD also has the best mitigation.
    It also has significant AoE.

    PLD is now better than both WAR and DRK in nearly every way possible and is equal to them in the very few that they aren't flat out better.

    Again, aside from aesthetics, there is no reason to play any other tank but PLD now. Go to the Tank roles board and you can see the details as to why.
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  6. #76
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    Temjiu's Avatar
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    Kulthoen Akkiran
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    Lamia
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    Armorer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaedan View Post
    I don't think you read all the changes then.

    PLD had it's potency boosted so high that it is now equal or higher than both WAR and DRK.
    PLD also has the best mitigation.
    It also has significant AoE.

    PLD is now better than both WAR and DRK in nearly every way possible and is equal to them in the very few that they aren't flat out better.

    Again, aside from aesthetics, there is no reason to play any other tank but PLD now. Go to the Tank roles board and you can see the details as to why.
    Just pointing out that allot of people do play for asthetics.
    And no one's played the new classes yet.
    And the Dev's can adjust as needs permit (as they did in HW).

    Overall, just like with every MMO expansion I've lived through, I tend to take all predictions with a grain of salt until the dust settles. if there is such a great disparity, I'm sure the peeps that this stuff matters to will make sure SQ knows.
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  7. #77
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    Furiea's Avatar
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    Kanzaki Furia
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    Tonberry
    Main Class
    Paladin Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaedan View Post
    I don't think you read all the changes then.

    PLD had it's potency boosted so high that it is now equal or higher than both WAR and DRK.
    PLD also has the best mitigation.
    It also has significant AoE.

    PLD is now better than both WAR and DRK in nearly every way possible and is equal to them in the very few that they aren't flat out better.

    Again, aside from aesthetics, there is no reason to play any other tank but PLD now. Go to the Tank roles board and you can see the details as to why.
    i did but just never really bothered to compare with DRK and WAR since I am pretty much committed to PLD. got my i275 relic right before servers went down. thanks for the info. =) see you in game! (you are from Tonberry too !!)
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  8. #78
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    Kaedan's Avatar
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    Kaedan Burkhardt
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Temjiu View Post
    Just pointing out that allot of people do play for asthetics.
    And no one's played the new classes yet.
    And the Dev's can adjust as needs permit (as they did in HW).

    Overall, just like with every MMO expansion I've lived through, I tend to take all predictions with a grain of salt until the dust settles. if there is such a great disparity, I'm sure the peeps that this stuff matters to will make sure SQ knows.
    And just as many don't.

    You don't need to play the new classes to do the math. And it's no longer prediction, they have given us the official changes.

    The queue times are going to be a far bigger problem than people anticipated. They were just considering how RDM and SAM might draw tanks away... but now that WARs and DRKs have been insulted so badly, you'll see even less tanks... meaning much longer queues.
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  9. #79
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    Mari Qalihin
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    Lamia
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    Scholar Lv 72
    Quote Originally Posted by Temjiu View Post
    Just pointing out that allot of people do play for asthetics.
    And no one's played the new classes yet.
    And the Dev's can adjust as needs permit (as they did in HW).

    Overall, just like with every MMO expansion I've lived through, I tend to take all predictions with a grain of salt until the dust settles. if there is such a great disparity, I'm sure the peeps that this stuff matters to will make sure SQ knows.
    I love Drks aesthetics. What I dont love is feeling useless in 8 man content, the only content thats decently challenging, because a 1 class can do everything the other 2 can and do it better with more added on.Intervention and Cover are better than TBN. Pld should do equal or more dps, as much as I hate theorycrafters these are the people who help everyone learn there rotation. They can block magic now and everyone has reprisal including dps. Aesthetics won't stop people from feeling gimped while we wait on buffs, which will mostly be potency buffs. Look how long it took Pld to be decent compared to the other 2. 3.2 Didnt see it picked off the floor in peoples eyes for awhile still.
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  10. #80
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    Astral Flame
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    Hyperion
    Main Class
    Black Mage Lv 80
    This game revolves around the Holy Trinity, Tank, Healer and DPS.

    We have no idea what the changes will be for Tanks or healers untill we get the game. Speculating will only stress you out for no good reason. If you picked up healer and/or tank to be a dps then you picked up the wrong class. i get you want to contribute some damage but at the end of the day you picked up the class for their main role not their sub-role.

    With that said I can see far less huge mob pulls come SB. The fact that the damage out is reduced by x% for each mob on the floor is a bit extreme IMO. Plus nerfing bane was just a kick to the ego imho. WHM seems underwhelming atm... AST seems to be the go to healer atm but we will see come SB.

    I think the changes to tanks are exactly what was needed. This whole dps metta thing was just carried on for way to long.... Tanks are meat shields... they are there to take the damage so the dps can safely do their thing.

    However, WAR and DRK should have higher damage out numbers but nothing close to dps, which is what I think they are doing for SB. Not only for lore sake but for they simple fact that they are built to be a Off Tank or back up tank.

    PLD on the other hand should be the MT period. Again not only for lore sake but their tool kit is simply built to be the main tank. Paladin is meant to take on heavy tank busters and mitigate damage to the party especially during high damage phases in raids...
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