The Primal & Avatars Offcial Thread

[Delmontyb]

I'd like summons to have different roles, healing, support, damage, tanking, etc. So in regards to that, the summoner could be a very diverse class being able to call forth different avatars that would be able to fill a verity of roles within a party.

[Firon]

Primals:

Ifrit
Garuda
Shiva
Odin
Bahamut
Ramuh
Hades
Titan
DIABOLOS

Avatars or lesser primals or summons (whatever they rae called)

Carby
Fenrir
Siren
Quezalcotatl
Cactuar
Madeen
Yojimbo
Cat seith
Phoenix
Atomos

I'm sorry but no to Cactar lol Let the beast master tame them and call them pets

As for summons i would love to see:
Valefor
Ixion
Bismarck
Asura
Fairy
Fenrir
Hydra / Syldra(FF4)
Kirin
Kjata
Seraph
Valigarmanda(FF6)
Zodiac(Tactics/FF12)
Pandemona

[Zaireeka2025]

If "Evil Moogle" is considered a Primal, then what about common Moogles? Could we have common Moogles as avatars (like Carbuncle)?

I expounded heavily on summonable moogle roles in the link on my sig. Check it out.

[Ashaylin]

FFXIV has a pretty solid list of primals at the moment, many of which are mainstays - Ifrit, Odin, Titan, Leviathan, Shiva, Bahamut... I think adding those summons would satisfy the Final Fantasy element for the game.

As for the lesser summons, I think this is a great area for the dev team to put their creativity to work. It's alright to borrow from previous FFs, but without injecting anything new into the process, it won't let FFXIV stand out on its own merits in this category. I think the summons is where SE and its concept designers can really shine if they put their minds to it. Just consider, that new summon could become a mainstay down the FF road.

To sum it up: Surprise me.

[Liham]

For now, we have :

Primordial Primal : Bahamut

Cute Primal : Evil Moogle

Elemental Primals :

Titan
Ifrit
Leviathan
Garuda
(Ramuh or Ixion)
(Shiva or ???)

Odin : Nothing is known about him but he was not annonced to be neither a Primal nor a Avatar

Avatars : Carbuncle

List of some Common Final fantasy Summons:

Diabolos
Fenrir
Alexander
Phoenix
Ixion
Valefor
Siren\Ondine
Gilgamesh
Atomos

Cerberus
Maduin
Anima
Yojimbo
Brynhildr
Hecatoncheir
Golem
Quetzacoalt
Pandemona (zephir)
Eden \ Ark
Magus sisters
Kujata
Bismarck
Asura
Hydra
Hades
Kirin
Seraph
Valigarmanda
Pandemona
Typhoon
Doomtrain

Knight of the Rounds : OMGs O_O
12 Zodiacal Summon of Ivalice

Now if we go with the idea that it may have elemental avatar, Which will you choose ?

Fire : Phoenix
Ice : ??? or Fenrir
Lightning : Ixion
Water : Siren or ???
Earth : Hecatoncheir or Golem
Wind : ?????

But at the end whatever they choose it will be cool

[Sypherblade]

I'd like summons to have different roles, healing, support, damage, tanking, etc. So in regards to that, the summoner could be a very diverse class being able to call forth different avatars that would be able to fill a verity of roles within a party.

^ no to this.... making any job a hybrid is leading to nerf land. If one class can do all the roles...then a group of 8 summoners would be the best setup in the game. So to balance this...SE will nerf the hell out of the class so the class can act as a "decent" role but will be out shined by classes that are build for that role and in the end will become obsolete because they aren't "better" than any other class. Just look at the mess ffxi's summoner class was.

This time around. Make summoner good at ONE, TWO MAX, roles in a group.... Tank, healer, support, or damage. This way they won't be shunned for not keeping up to par with other classes and can be maximized in their roles.

[Xaimera]

well i dont like the idea of only getting to summon the primals once thats stupid! are u kidding me limiting the summoners?!?!
ive never heard of something so dumb, even in FFXI they were primals but u cld still summon them whenever u wanted to :/.
and no way am i gonna kill ifrit everyday just so next event time and were killing NM i have the best dmg AGAIN thats just stupid.

NO WAY SE! i rather play Beastmaster lol

[Kiara]

well i dont like the idea of only getting to summon the primals once thats stupid! are u kidding me limiting the summoners?!?!
ive never heard of something so dumb, even in FFXI they were primals but u cld still summon them whenever u wanted to :/.
and no way am i gonna kill ifrit everyday just so next event time and were killing NM i have the best dmg AGAIN thats just stupid.

NO WAY SE! i rather play Beastmaster lol

I agree with Xai.

While I understand why Yoshida-san wants to have a dramatic MMO feel that retains the essence of the traditional Final Fantasy Summon (like when Ifrit or Shiva or anyone did their Final Attack), limiting it so that only a Free Company can summon them (together), only after beating the Primal to earn the right to summon it seems really limiting to Summoner *as a class* to play everyday.

It then makes "Summoner" feel like a compromised / lesser job (like a "Magic Beastmaster" in some ways).

One's memories of Final Fantasy's most famous Summoners like Rydia or Yuna, etc. *is* of them summoning the famous, awesome, amazing Summons like Ifrit, Shiva, Bahamut, etc.

If FF XIV's "Summoner" is being able to summon like, "Fire Elemental" or "Carbuncle" (something "small") then it feels like a big letdown.

For myself personally, or even showing it to your friends...

Friend: "Oh cool, you're a Summoner! Show me Bahamut! Shiva!" etc.
You: "Ah sorry, I can't summon any of that. But I can show you... Fire Elemental!" (~_~)

It's a big letdown.

Perhaps we can summon the Primal in a "spirited form" (or some kind of lesser form) so that we can have an "Ifrit" with some more toned down attacks (kind of like Summons in Final Fantasy XIII (where you can hit "Triangle" "Square" "X" and do various coolish Summon "Basic Attacks"), but the Huge, Epic, Gigantic Summon Astral Flow attack (like Ifrit's Hellfire) is left to this original concept that Yoshida-san is talking about (with that 2 week waiting period)?

[Colino]

Primals:
Godzilla
Anguirus
Rodan
Mothra
King Ghidorah
Hedorah
Gigan
Mechagodzilla
Destoroyah
Gamera
Daimajin
Pulgasari
Ultraman

Avatars:
King Kong
Yongary
Gwoemul
Paul Bunyan
The Stay Puft Marshmallow Man
Sentinels
Galactus
Treebeard
Sharktopus

Better yet, Mega Shark and Giant Octopus!

[Andrien]

@ Kiara. You're absolutely right about that. In the other hand there is a large list of summon monsters. I've not played a Final Fantasy game with all of them yet. Perhaps XIV can be the first to have each and everyone of them. I think that will give Summoners a large arsenal of powers to chose from. This is what I'm wishing for.