An alternative to parsers...

[Erys]

Better idea:

Stop caring about your DPS. There are training dummies, use those.
The reason people keep asking for legit parsers is so they can do that kind of "low dps=kick" nonsense. No parser, no legit reason to kick. People using unauthorized tools = "report for cheating", people in this game are actually rather shameless and you can figure out who is using them just by looking at the website they upload the parses to.

First off, you don't equate training dummies to fights. Dps fluctuates depending on uptime, party buffs and cooldown optimization which vary on a fight by fight basis.

Second, you don't need a parser to tell who is underperforming. "But but but if you are looking at others you are most likely underperforming", sorry but no. Any player worth their salt can perform their rotations by muscle memory and only need to pay attention to mechanics. Also during openers, arguably the moment of truth to tell if your average player knows what they are doing, the bosses funny enough don't have any mechanics so you can scrutinize everyone.
Another good way to tell performance is rotational cycles, if you know how many rotations a good party go through you can figure out something is amiss. And depending on the difference between good and your df roll you can almost pinpoint who is underperforming.

And by no means I'm encouraging anyone to kick people everywhere. I'd rather teach people than just kick them right off the bat, but if their response is overly negative they are getting the boot and a nice spot in a blacklist.

PS: I forgot you make a third point of every people in that website using said tools. But you know your name can be there and not being able to parse at all, right? I mean, I play on ps4 exclusively and my name is in there. How am I using said tools exactly?

[KisaiTenshi]

PS: I forgot you make a third point of every people in that website using said tools. But you know your name can be there and not being able to parse at all, right? I mean, I play on ps4 exclusively and my name is in there. How am I using said tools exactly?

As I said, people are shameless about using them. So what do you think would happen if people entered everyone's name into the site to check if someone is a good DPS or not?

That is why these tools should not exist.

If SE wants to throw people a bone, have a "role report card" given at the end graded from 0% to 100% based on:

1. Average completion time over the last 30 days
2. Average completion time (since introduced/since last patch)
3. Your completion time
- % DPS delivered (other players DPS will not be shown. 4-man, DPS should be 33%+, 8-man DPS should be 20%+)
- % Heal/overheal (other players healing/self healing skills will not be shown, % Heal should be 100% for healers and overheal should be less than 15% for healers, no KO's allowed)
- % Blocked damage/incurred damage
- % Enmity uptime (Should be 100% for tanks, Should be %0 for Healers, 0% for DPS)
4. Compared to your previous attempt at this duty, and Compared to your Best saved. [Save This One as Best | Keep Last One as Best]

No solid numbers. No other players numbers.

Opting into the role report card places the "Best" card on the Lodestone, and the player can opt in showing these publicly too.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

As I said, people are shameless about using them. So what do you think would happen if people entered everyone's name into the site to check if someone is a good DPS or not?

I don't require a parse to claim I dislike your "playstyle." In fact, I don't even have to give a reason of why I kick a person directly to them.

As for the rest of your posts, the devs are very much aware of parses. Yoshida has said he doesn't care provided people don't publicly shame other players. So as is par for the course, you're wrong.

[KisaiTenshi]

As for the rest of your posts, the devs are very much aware of parses. Yoshida has said he doesn't care provided people don't publicly shame other players. So as is par for the course, you're wrong.

Just because Yoshi-P says one thing, does not override Square-Enix's policy.

https://youtu.be/3-WXYg-S05U?t=364

Listen to the actual response to the parser question.
"Officially we are not allowed to use outside tools."

...and then says they can not endorse outside tools, and does not see any skill difference between Console users and PC players anyway.

"Please take responsibility in how you utilize such tools. There are people who go around bragging about using such tools, and that's what is going to get you hurt."

[akaneakki]

Just because Yoshi-P says one thing, does not override Square-Enix's policy."

So in another thread where someone said yoshi said healers dont need to dps, you defended him, now it's the opposite. Then now, this guy shows you a screenshot from a game master you can kick others from having different play style. First of all, since I'm back on the pc let me correct your post from earlier:

1. Average completion time over the last 30 days
2. Average completion time (since introduced/since last patch)
3. Your completion time
- % DPS delivered (other players DPS will not be shown. 4-man, DPS should be 33%+, 8-man DPS should be 20%+)
- % Heal/overheal (other players healing/self healing skills will not be shown, % Heal should be 100% for healers and overheal should be less than 15% for healers, no KO's allowed)
- % Blocked damage/incurred damage
- % Enmity uptime (Should be 100% for tanks, Should be %0 for Healers, 0% for DPS)
4. Compared to your previous attempt at this duty, and Compared to your Best saved. [Save This One as Best | Keep Last One as Best]
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1: No, just no, that will mean zero trust me on this. If you have a premade they would obviously wreck your pug group by a mile, unless that pug group itself is bad or not as good as other premades.
2: Sure why not, it's called speedkills already on fflogs. People compete againt's each other on there to see whos fastest, again, silly to put up, since you and others many times said speedkill shouldn't be a thing as long shit dies before the actuall timer goes out.
3: 33% dps? From dps? You can't be serious. Overhealing sure, then again healing shouldn't be 100%, that already means overhealing. Healing a tank who has 95% HP while you could spank regen on and it be done already. So yet another silly thing. While you at this, might as well show how many times you miss healing the group and how much uptime you also had on lets say regen, since its the most powerful spell on whm. Tanks will obviously tank the adds, but you say the dps and healers have no aggro here, are you like expecting them to have 0% on the aggro meter? There has been times where DPS do massive dmg on tanks who clearly been with bad people and kicked those dps out for ripping the aggro from them in roulettes (actually happened to me few times on smn too lol)

Why not make it simple and do like pvp, you show who did most end of the run and that's it. Should just add overhealing there as well.

Look, I will give it to you, you are willing to fight for your arguements which is totally fine and it's why we have the forum here. But c'mon. First of all I said earlier, I had enrage in a9s with echo with a group of 270's. I had enrage in normal a8 at 66%. You tell people we shouldn't think about dmg. This game has fights where you need to whoop ass to get things killed. You are ignoring 90% of the base mechanics in the game by saying we shouldn't care about dmg. I know you are stil fresh to game, but there is far and I mean FAR more players on this forum with way more experience than you. You also don't need a parser to understand a boss at 80% with previous DRG then later on has boss at 81% or 82% with a new DRG, that the new one is probably doing less. It could be included bad crit rng etc from the rest. But when replacement dps comes in and we don't skip certain mechanics or push boss as fast with previous dps, you know that person is doing bad. Funny thing is we had that happened once with a pure ps4 group too and the guy who did low (the new one) actually got kicked for not performing well. When you farm content you want in and out fast, there is no question. I rather kill a boss 2 min faster than 2 min slower, meaning 6 min fight vs 8, I will do extra round of that raid or primal when the other group is still inside their last one.

[KisaiTenshi]

So in another thread where someone said yoshi said healers dont need to dps, you defended him, now it's the opposite. Then now, this guy shows you a screenshot from a game master you can kick others from having different play style. First of all, since I'm back on the pc let me correct your post from earlier:

Because he can not endorse people hacking the game since it's against the ToS. Believe me when I say that any time "you" as the official word of god on some project says something that gets misinterpreted, can be the difference of millions of dollars in lawsuits from people getting their account terminated because they thought Yoshi-P was secretly approving something. In customer service, if you can't find it in the ToS, it doesn't exist, the customer is wrong or right entirely by how it is worded.

Much like other MMORPG games, if you use tools on the game, don't ever mention the name of the tools, the websites they are available on, or post any screenshots or video to youtube with such tools running otherwise you're on a one-way trip to ban-town. Have you noticed how many times "temporary ban" shows up in the ban reports?
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...9e80c6b37a8c65

1: No, just no, that will mean zero trust me on this. If you have a premade they would obviously wreck your pug group by a mile, unless that pug group itself is bad or not as good as other premades.
2: Sure why not, it's called speedkills already on fflogs. People compete againt's each other on there to see whos fastest, again, silly to put up, since you and others many times said speedkill shouldn't be a thing as long shit dies before the actuall timer goes out.
3: 33% dps? From dps? You can't be serious. Overhealing sure, then again healing shouldn't be 100%, that already means overhealing. Healing a tank who has 95% HP while you could spank regen on and it be done already. So yet another silly thing. While you at this, might as well show how many times you miss healing the group and how much uptime you also had on lets say regen, since its the most powerful spell on whm. Tanks will obviously tank the adds, but you say the dps and healers have no aggro here, are you like expecting them to have 0% on the aggro meter? There has been times where DPS do massive dmg on tanks who clearly been with bad people and kicked those dps out for ripping the aggro from them in roulettes (actually happened to me few times on smn too lol)

Why not make it simple and do like pvp, you show who did most end of the run and that's it. Should just add overhealing there as well, so if a healer has like stupid amount of medica spam that is already overhealing by a mile.

This was a suggestion to "throw a bone" to give players an idea of what they should be shooting for by comparing their previous run and world average, especially to those that are just panic button mashing instead of watching for mechanics. If you just give them numbers, then they will be a **** measuring contest with other players.

Why not make it simple and do like pvp, you show who did most end of the run and that's it. Should just add overhealing there as well.

Because in PvP, you are not in competition with the boss monster, you're in competition with other players.

Look, I will give it to you, you are willing to fight for your arguements which is totally fine and it's why we have the forum here. But c'mon. First of all I said earlier, I had enrage in a9s with echo with a group of 270's. I had enrage in normal a8 at 66%. You tell people we shouldn't think about dmg. This game has fights where you need to whoop ass to get things killed. You are ignoring 90% of the base mechanics in the game by saying we shouldn't care about dmg.

I think you, like a few other people think I just post this stuff to troll, hence a bunch of you people keep following me thread to thread trying to shut me up for challenging "the meta"

Look I get that the raiders want a better feedback mechanism, but that mechanism is overkill for most of the content, and when raiders start pushing their guns in casual players faces to "do it my way or get kicked" it makes people not want to keep playing the game over that one experience with the person who acted like a 10 year old not wanting to share their sandbox.

The Savage content is clearly designed to be played "good", not "sloppy" which is how some people choose to play the regular content. If all it took to complete any Savage raid was a set of macros for each phase, you bet people would be telling players to use the macro or get kicked.

[akaneakki]

This was a suggestion to "throw a bone" to give players an idea of what they should be shooting for by comparing their previous run and world average, especially to those that are just panic button mashing instead of watching for mechanics. If you just give them numbers, then they will be a **** measuring contest with other players.

Not really. When friends of mine went to pc, they actually was humble to everyone about it too. In fact it wasn't just numbers as they also once use to claim it was. Those ''numbers'' indicates how you perform and how the group perform. I honestly rarely see people harras others with parsers but I understand why, since harrasment is harrasment. I just find it mindnumbing how people plays an MMO and forget there is teamplay in the group. If I had to choose a healer who only heals while the other healers knows the dmg income by heart, I obviously pick the last healer. Like I would keep the DRG who saves b4b till boss comes back and not use it right before boss disappear. Things like this matter in a fight and doing a dummy (as you suggested) wont tell players not to do that. As stated very many times before, dummy does jack shit. I think they should add dummies with mechanics too so they need to dodge and do damage as well.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Because he can not endorse people hacking the game since it's against the ToS. Believe me when I say that any time "you" as the official word of god on some project says something that gets misinterpreted, can be the difference of millions of dollars in lawsuits from people getting their account terminated because they thought Yoshi-P was secretly approving something. In customer service, if you can't find it in the ToS, it doesn't exist, the customer is wrong or right entirely by how it is worded.

Much like other MMORPG games, if you use tools on the game, don't ever mention the name of the tools, the websites they are available on, or post any screenshots or video to youtube with such tools running otherwise you're on a one-way trip to ban-town. Have you noticed how many times "temporary ban" shows up in the ban reports?
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...9e80c6b37a8c65

Really? Twitch streamers would like to have a word with you since parses are clearly visible on their streams, virtually every raid group uploading a kill has it running and there are multiple guides from prominent players explaining exactly how to set it up all up. If SE cared like you seem to believe they do, why hasn't any of this been removed? Regardless, you're proving yourself a hypocrite. As Akan said, why is Yoshida's word law regarding healer DPS but suddenly it doesn't matter now?