Determination vs. tenacity

[Cabalabob]

How do you think these two will compare? If we assume the damage reduction part of tenacity is going to be in the same boat as parry, nice but not needed, then it comes down to the damage increase portion.

If it scales worse than det, then it will go the same way as parry, avoid it unless SE puts it on everything so we can't avoid it. If it scales better than det, then the same thing will happen to det.

I suppose that with the first situation at least it's not as bad as parry, even if it has no impact on how we choose our gear.

[dragonseth07]

It sounds like Tenacity won't suffer the parry problem of being based on chance. That being the case, the consistent damage reduction in addition to personal DPS MIGHT be an overall raid DPS increase over Det if it can drop healing requirements and bump up healer DPS.

Likely? No. Possible? Yes.

[aleph_null]

It'll depend on how the dps and defensive components scale. If the defensive component scales really well then it'll be the new mandatory stat for tanks, though it seems unlikely, imo. If the defensive component scales poorly then it'll probably be negligible and as you said it'll simply come down to how it compares to crit, det, sks and direct drive (though this stat would probably only be available for tanks via materia). At the very least they all do something unlike parry, so I'm happy with the change.

[Xenosan]

My pure guess is that it will still be Crit > Det, Tenacity just being an alternative to Det, if just slightly less value per point. any defense value being negligible. But we'll see in just over a day,

[Kaisinel]

I'm gonna Shirk the living crap out of tenacity

[Aethon]

To be fair we did this to ourselves. We wanted parry gone/fixed. They replaced it with something that gives us a constant damage reduction (plus more dps) instead of a chance for parry to trigger more.

Meta will go as it will but I think it'll likely be a good call to even stack DET/TEN with CRIT being the next for PLD. WAR will probably CRIT then DET, then TEN (since tenacity doesn't help with healing like det does ((i think)). DRK I have no idea because I really can't get a feel for the class even having it at 60; maybe similar to WAR?

[Shurrikhan]

To be fair we did this to ourselves. We wanted parry gone/fixed. They replaced it with something that gives us a constant damage reduction (plus more dps) instead of a chance for parry to trigger more.

Meta will go as it will but I think it'll likely be a good call to even stack DET/TEN with CRIT being the next for PLD. WAR will probably CRIT then DET, then TEN (since tenacity doesn't help with healing like det does ((i think)). DRK I have no idea because I really can't get a feel for the class even having it at 60; maybe similar to WAR?

Unless they change Crit's scaling, it'll still have more output over time than Det, let alone SS or Ten.

Crit is the best stat for everyone but BLM, on whom it is still very strong. Those who have synergy with it just become or unwilling to take anything else; no other apart from Spell Speed on BLM has actually been co-optimal with it.

[Reynhart]

Meta will go as it will but I think it'll likely be a good call to even stack DET/TEN with CRIT being the next for PLD. WAR will probably CRIT then DET, then TEN (since tenacity doesn't help with healing like det does ((i think)).

I don't understand the reasoning behind that.

[ADVSS]

have to see what they do to the stats remember they overhauled crit at 3,0 and it wouldnt surprise me if they weaken it to some degree
furthermore, im guessing itll just replace det since dps cant use tenacity supposedly so instead of parry itll show up on fending only. potentially they could go one step further and make det non existant on tank gear, and tenacity will just be det/parry replacement It would be a nice stat for even raiding dps to utilizee but supposedly its just a tank stat so yeah

[aqskerorokero]

Tenacity is the new tank stat, and you will be playing a tank job...so...no math needed here....max it and then go on other stats....