Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Mysterysword]

Point out the hypocrisy.

Sure! Do you recall the instance where you claimed that you would kick any healer who was doing the "bare minimum" of their job? I'm sure you do, so I won't have to quote it.

Now, let's examine what the "bare minimum" of a "healer" job is, shall we? I would posit that it is to "heal", or perhaps, to ensure that, barring tank/DPS mistakes, the party stays alive.

Now, in the Zurvan post that started this whole thing, those healers ended up letting people die. By the standards outlined above, I think we can safely agree that they were not doing the "bare minimum" of their job. Yet, you didn't raise pitchforks against them, as you did against other healers. I don't know what you call it, but I call that a double standard, personally.

[SenorPatty]

When people are aware that there's an ignore function


But would rather argue until they have the last word.

[LunaFaye]

That's the reason we made weed legal in the state of california. By now I am wondering if other states should do the same, maybe we could then get back to the actual topic, and just chill?

[Lunaxia]

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Bare minimum, to me, is standing around doing nothing when you could be doing something.

Those healers were not good, no, but they were doing something and still contributing to the fight. I prefer healers doing something (even if mistakes) than being blatantly lazy and doing nothing for 60% of the fight. ABC and all that.

[Mysterysword]

I'll assume you didn't read the part where those healers, in "contributing" to the fight, allowed both tanks and 2 DPS to die. Somehow, I don't think the DPS "contribution" of two healers, makes up for the DPS loss that dead DPS cause.

[Ghishlain]

Bare minimum, to me, is standing around doing nothing when you could be doing something.

Those healers were not good, no, but they were doing something and still contributing to the fight. I prefer healers doing something (even if mistakes) than being blatantly lazy and doing nothing for 60% of the fight. ABC and all that.

At the risk of continuing this silly discussion:

I wouldn't count letting your tank(s) die as "doing the bare minimum" as a healer.

If you're not "healing" and you're a "healer", you're probably doing it wrong. If you're doing this constantly, you're probably not "just making a mistake".

But hey, I wasn't at the raid in question so I can't say if the story is true or not - but it does take effort to make such a long post so I'm willing to give it a benefit of the doubt at the moment.

Not sure why you can't admit you've "made a mistake" and carry on if most people disagree with you.

Unless you enjoy stringing people into pointless arguments like this. And if so:



You've certainly made this thread go places in the last few days.

[edit] So, to contribute to the thread. I was actually in a Dun Scaith with 5 SCHs. Funny enough, the SCH I was paired with was really good, despite having five new people in the raid, we didn't lose more than probably 3 people at a time (even during Diabolos Hallow). Twas a rare sight that I was happy to be part of~

[The_Shang]

Bare minimum, to me, is standing around doing nothing when you could be doing something.

Those healers were not good, no, but they were doing something and still contributing to the fight. I prefer healers doing something (even if mistakes) than being blatantly lazy and doing nothing for 60% of the fight. ABC and all that.

ok, so I've been following hte discussion for the past couple of pages now and I feel like i have to throw in my own 2cents here.

A healer healing is fine, a healer adding in some dps is absolutely fine.

A healer ignoring their party just to dps IS NOT FINE.

Why are you even defending it? It's not contributing, it's detrimental!

edit:
ninja'd by Ghishlain >_>

[vanitaslaughing]

All I can say to contribute to this silly argument is - bottom line, letting the tanks die because you're only DPSing is bad. DPSing while keeping the party alive, that's fine. Not being confident enough to push dps and not doing much is fine as well.

Now, on topic! My friend finished her Aetheric Condensation! So ofc I jump in as drag-along DPS for her trials (by the time I logged in she had already done Garuda, Ifrit and Titan).
Had a DPS immediately drop out of Mog, and I was confused why - then I saw we were three bards, me included. I reckon they were a bard too. In-prog right after pulling gets us... a bard. Moogle fiesta! I wish I could've commed at least one of these, but I was one comm away from hitting the challenge log and I need that for Friday. :c
Fast forward to Bismarck, our ninja immediately dces before we get on the carapace. Oh. So it's down to two summoners, one black mage. We have to go a second round because he tossed us off at 10%, so I kinda furrowed my brow at the adds. Finished those with no issue! Now then, since we've got an LB2 and the ninja is still MIA, I decide to pop the lb immediately upon jumping on his back. "wtf" goes one AST. I'm on PS4, my keyboard's downstairs. Can't defend myself while we dps down the heart in one round with that lb! Another caster immediately says "we got only casters" (again, wish I could've commed them for that but challenge log ;v; ). Turns out the other astrologian overwrote their balance with a bole. Oh man.
And in Zurvan I meet a healer I was in Dun Scaith with, leaving my friend with an ominous "oh no" before she pulls. It didn't go badly though, thank god.

She's got her Lux, I've gotten to revisit every primal except for the first three. That's a nice way to round up Heavensward. ;v;7 see ya space cowboy, the last two years with you were good and bad but mostly good. I definitely didn't cry because I got emotional when I logged out, I cried because I'm super tired from staying up till 3am watching the live letter yesterday... Definitely that, no emotions here.

[Mhaeric]

My guess is they either misread or skimmed the admittedly very long post and interpreted it as a post decrying healers that dps period instead of one decrying healers that dps at the cost of other party members dying, and they're too proud to admit their mistake so they doubled down on their (otherwise correct) statement that the best healers are those that dps when healing doesn't take priority.

[Miste]

That's the bad part. She's shown she doesn't care and would rather you leave her alone. You're basically forcing your ideas onto her, no matter if you're intentions are good or bad. I commend you for attempting to help, but you went way too far.

Forcing ideas on...who? I think you have misunderstood something. This post you quoted is not the same issue or the same thing as the cleric stance issue story I posted pages back. So I am a bit confused :x

Is that what you are referencing...the story I posted a few pages back? Or are you referring to the post you actually quoted?

If you are talking about the story a few pages back well....spoiler tags to avoid cluttering the thread too much....

I can't force ideas on anyone. I don't have this mystical power you are claiming I have...if I did I'd be rich and be too busy on my yacht in the south seas and not bothering to have a job and spend all my time swimming, fishing, and eating sushi.

So I don't see how I can "go too far" unless I was continuously non stop telling her to listen to me and not tanking the dungeon until she listened or verbally harassing her with insults...which I didn't do any of those things. I continued the dungeon and at fastest pace possible minus a few mins for cooldowns (which I really needed) and a few quick typing sentences.

I mentioned it once within 2-3 minutes while tanking mobs then kept going through the dungeon (albeit struggling) until 15 mins later where I mentioned it one more time to see if she could understand I was just trying to help.

Example:
It's like this...three people building a playset.

Person A: You seem to be having a bit of trouble. *insert brief explanation of why they are having trouble*
Person B: I know what I am doing.
Person A: But...the slide is installed upside down
Person C: Who cares if the slide is upside down. Drop it.
Person B: ^
Person A: OK fine. If you don't want help I won't help :/

15 mins later

Person A: Are you sure you don't want help to install the slide properly? It can't be used like this...and its dangerous.
Person B: No stop attacking me
Person C: No. Just drop it.
Person A: This is ridiculous.

That was the end of it. Didn't mention it again. If this is going too far...then everyone should just never chat in this game at all. Both of the exchanges didn't last very long either like 3 mins each but we were fighting mobs during some of it so it wasn't like I was stopped completely and not doing the dungeon.

If you are talking about the post you quoted in your response here...you don't understand the situation because your response makes no sense to what you quoted. The post you quoted and the story I posted a few pages back are pretty much separate issues. So you might not have read all the posts between the story and the post you quoted...or you've not read them carefully.





I guess I do have a story though! It's a good story though for nice change of pace.

Got Gubal Library normal on my PLD for mentor roulette and we got to the first boss which is the book demon wall guy. I asked if anyone was new, but they all said they were fine and so we went ahead.

At around 50% HP the healer and one of the DPS died to mechanics they didn't dodge properly and lack of quick reaction by the healer, but eh it happens. I thought...well...me and the DRG are left and I do have Clemency so lets see if we can beat him.

I managed to heal both of us just enough with Clemency and using Riot Blade to get MP back for us to get him to around 10% but I was starting to not have enough MP for the damage and the boss kept choosing the DRG for his ice attack. The DRG drops to like 10 HP and I was like "noooooooooooo", but SECOND WIND and he lives just barely before the ice floor comes out and gives me enough time to get MP back to use Clemency on him again.

I tell him to LB and we get him to 1% and then finish him off! It was very satisfying and I gave the DRG my comm at the end