Got kicked because timing of LB lol

[HyperSMB]

Let's be real, when you time an LB in a dungeon should have zero effect of whether you clear the boss or not. At this point in the cycle the clear rates for dungeons on first shot should be trending close to 100%.

While mathematically it is always better to LB at the start of the fight as it gives you a chance to build back LB1...it really shouldn't matter enough to warrent a kick. Then again, you could have always been flexible and just hit LB at the start too.

[Berethos]

While mathematically it is always better to LB at the start of the fight as it gives you a chance to build back LB1...it really shouldn't matter enough to warrent a kick. Then again, you could have always been flexible and just hit LB at the start too.

I won't be flexible if it's a bad idea, and wasting the LB on the pre-transform portion of the 2nd fight in the Vault is a waste, and is such a bad idea. Sure, there are bosses where it's a good idea - Ser Grinneaux the Bull isn't one of them.

[HyperSMB]

I won't be flexible if it's a bad idea, and wasting the LB on the pre-transform portion of the 2nd fight in the Vault is a waste, and is such a bad idea. Sure, there are bosses where it's a good idea - Ser Grinneaux the Bull isn't one of them.

To be fair, while you are correct in the assertion that seems a very silly time to use LB, would it honestly alter your chances of beating him? I think you would find the answer to be no.

Look at it this way, for the 10 seconds you saved by not LB'ing him, instead of doing it to appease someone else in what is essentially casual content; you have spent 100x that on a forum discussing it.

[Berethos]

To be fair, while you are correct in the assertion that seems a very silly time to use LB, would it honestly alter your chances of beating him?

It's not about beating a boss, it's about not going along with a silly idea. There's no reason to be flexible if it means you're following a silly idea.

And in the case of that boss? Depending on the group you end up with, it very well can alter your chances. A tank that positions the boss poorly (the last three times I did the vault the tank stuck the boss on the wall more than once, making dealing with void zones and the knock back a real pain as a melee and ultimately being the main factor behind two separate wipes), some members not paying attention and getting smacked into void portals, lower dps due to wearing a level 50 weapon (yep, saw that)...

The Vault can still kick an ill-prepared group's collective behind. Probably the only dungeon in the 51-59 leveling spread that can still make that claim.

Given that, I'll still advocate for not using the LB at silly times in the Vault.

[HyperSMB]

It's not about beating a boss, it's about not going along with a silly idea. There's no reason to be flexible if it means you're following a silly idea.

If that is the hill you want to die on, by all means.

Simply saying it seems an odd thing to be willing to stand your ground on when it has so little impact. I'm not saying you are wrong, and I personally wouldn't ult him pre-transformation as I subscribe to the "ult for the kill" mentaility, but I think you shouldn't let it bother you enough to get kicked for either.

[Berethos]

but I think you shouldn't let it bother you enough to get kicked for either.

Who said anything about being bothered?

It's about sending a message - namely that stupid ideas shouldn't be followed.

Of course, if you want to try and be positive about it, you can try and teach the player with the bad idea why it's a bad idea and why there are better ideas they should be following. I mean, good luck with that, but it's always an option.

[Frostyy]

And in the case of that boss? Depending on the group you end up with, it very well can alter your chances. A tank that positions the boss poorly (the last three times I did the vault the tank stuck the boss on the wall more than once, making dealing with void zones and the knock back a real pain as a melee and ultimately being the main factor behind two separate wipes), some members not paying attention and getting smacked into void portals, lower dps due to wearing a level 50 weapon (yep, saw that)...

The Vault can still kick an ill-prepared group's collective behind. Probably the only dungeon in the 51-59 leveling spread that can still make that claim.

Given that, I'll still advocate for not using the LB at silly times in the Vault.

Right this specific dungeon is the only reason why I was being cautious btw especially when we had wiped twice in the trash already because the aggro problem.

[Frostyy]

Let's be real, when you time an LB in a dungeon should have zero effect of whether you clear the boss or not. At this point in the cycle the clear rates for dungeons on first shot should be trending close to 100%.

While mathematically it is always better to LB at the start of the fight as it gives you a chance to build back LB1...it really shouldn't matter enough to warrent a kick. Then again, you could have always been flexible and just hit LB at the start too.

Honestly, I dont think the time of LB really has zero effect on clear or not. Like I said, the other MCH who was new was dead because of bad positioning when the fight becomes hard, both tank and healer were under 1000 hp when boss is around 10%. Luckily the healer was capable to handle this. Of course this is not a problem when u got good teammates who can handle every situation, but when u got someone who is new or who cant pick aggro correctly, I think the timing of lb does help.