DRK is going to be Nerfed in Stormblood

[bswpayton]

Drinking the meta koolaid. All about MOAR DEEPZ. Faster runs, faster, faster, faster. Funny thing, the one mechanic that tanks can do to speed up runs the most k.

I wouldnt say this is true exactly either, cause I recently started tryin things on my drk that can be more effective playing offensively. Yes I use cool downs , but for instance, I realized that more deepz from the tank also helps when you go offensively instead of putting defense first, a drk can turn grit off and pop shadow skin and abysmal drain spam fore extra dps which bring the moobs down faster. Same with warrior can go into deliverance and do alot more damage , hopefully with pali gettin a new aoe they can do the samething. Of course this depends on your group and how good they are but in this game more dps always seems to be the answer no matter the encounter but playing it safe is always the smartest when you are in the process of learning something

[FallenWings]

What if, because of DRK, tank populations remained and didn't plummet. Did anyone consider that? Because I know for a fact that there are new tank players because of DRK and some tank players stopped tanking despite DRK's introduction.

But ofcourse this is purely anecdotal and there's really no way to prove either scenario. But I'd like people to keep an open mind about that rather than constantly preaching the silly notion that new tanks/actual good tank changes are fruitless and are not worth the developer investment. As for 4.0? Only time can tell, but with the impending changes and the simplification of the two tank classes I enjoy, there's atleast one once dedicated tank player hesitant on the grip of their greataxe/greatsword.

You could brand me as a mindless Blue DPS for focusing on the DPS aspect. But I enjoy doing actual tanking and strategizing around maximum effective mitigation and positioning as well as optimizing my output. I don't enjoy however standing there playing Dance Dance Revolution and having my efforts be wasted/ineffective and the actual progression of the fight entirely dependent on someone else.

It's just the notion of I'd rather do the damage myself since it's something I can control, especially in pugs, as opposed to only be able to create openings i.e supporting. 200 Potency is better than Balancing 0 DPS for example.

[Azreal]

How Is the fight progession ever dependent on someone else? You still have a job to do...

I just don't understand why you people even tank if the gratification you need is to see big pew pew numbers?

[SyzzleSpark]

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Because most people, if they're the kind of player that wants to improve and play the game well or at least on an above-average level, quickly discover that simply spamming your enmity combo in defensive stance while popping cooldowns to survive damage is extremely easy, even boring. The design of this game doesn't allow you to break through that ceiling unless you focus on DPS. DPS is the only thing you can add to that list of priorities that will make the jobs any more interesting or challenging to play.

Most good players have long since mastered the former duties (mitigating damage, holding aggro) these are after all the first things you learn as a tank, and are extremely easy to do. So what else are you left with for the purposes of gratification and power-fantasy but your damage?

[Khalithar]

Dark Knight, despite being one of the most requested jobs, did not increase the tank population in HW.

I've been thinking about this topic a lot and I have a few thoughts on this that I'd like to offer:

1: At release drk wasn't an easy class to pick up. In my opinion, it had quite the learning curve early and was difficult for people to "get" and so it wasn't very engaging.

2: Drk started at level 30 when a lot of people were itching to get in to the new content.

Now, what if drk had been better designed (purely personal opinion again) and easier to pick up along with starting at level 50 so the people that wanted to play it could jump right in to the new content?

I think that would have caused the tank population to increase even only by a small amount.

[Jessica_Nyanners]

DRK Nerfs:
and I was doing like 1,3K Dps, and warrior 1.6k. Now with this Drk will be doing even less. It's just NOT an improvement.


I really don't like the nerf to the complexity of DRK.
GET GUD CASUALS!

Source: https://youtu.be/8ktzoXqa178

1.3k on a DRK isn't even good, so do you mean yourself? when your telling people to get good

[Sarcatica]

Most good players have long since mastered the former duties (mitigating damage, holding aggro) these are after all the first things you learn as a tank, and are extremely easy to do. So what else are you left with for the purposes of gratification and power-fantasy but your damage?

People underestimate how much damage good tanks and healer can do. When you are looking to skip mechanics say Zurvan Soar, the biggest story isn't weighted entirely on capable DPS. Maintaining respectable dps as tanks/healers while having the ability to do their roles effectively is what makes them good, at least in the context of most modern MMOs.

[Sarcatica]

1.3k on a DRK isn't even good, so do you mean yourself? when your telling people to get good

If he was looking at dummy A12S, DRK should at least do 1.6k. Is 1.3k even enough kill the dummy?

[SyzzleSpark]

If he was looking at dummy A12S, DRK should at least do 1.6k. Is 1.3k even enough kill the dummy?

Its not even enough to kill the a11s dummy.

A BiS DRK with no pots or food should be killing the dummy with 30-35s remaining depending on crit RNG, which is about 1750-1800DPS iirc.

[LeoLupinos]

1.3k on a DRK isn't even good, so do you mean yourself? when your telling people to get good

It's was just an specific comparison example.
I was on A1S, not dummy, long time DPSing as MT, so it's NOT an opening.
And the same WAR on my party was by my side as OT with similar Ilvl. It's just a comparison of me 1,3, and he 1,6, hard to understand?
There's plenty of DPS videos of DRK and WAR on Youtube, so you can see that DRK is lower, and that's is the matter on my example.
And with the changes it will go even lower, not only on DPS but with complexity too.

I'm very good, but my itens are not. There's a BIG difference. I never told anyone that I'm BiS.