4 Man Balance =/= 8 Man Balance

[Masekase_Hurricane]

Thanks for the feedback guys, but keep in mind this post isn't for me. It's for the people worried about being kicked.

That's the thing NO ONE is worried about being kicked from dungeons for this reason, as it has never happened or will it ever happen.

Balance

By any chance did you only read the topic title?

[Sylvain]

I've never seen anyone kicked from a dungeon for having a none supportive job...
I mean... you must be some kind of insane elitist jerk to kick someone of a dungeon for not having the job you wish them to have. (especially considering how easy dungeons are)

And anyway, any potential dps gained from getting the job you want will be lost since you'll have to wait a good 1-2 min to get a replacement and another 2-3 min for the replacement to catch up the group. And that's assuming you don't get the same or a "worse" job.
That's going through a lot of trouble for a very minimal and (especially) useless reward...
At most having the perfect aoe / monotarget balanced group will reduce the dungeon duration by what? 5-10min?

[Elamys]

TLDR extended rr is better than enhanced if it can last 85 seconds. 82.5 seconds or less means enhanced is better.

Very interesting numbers, but this is about balance as in terms of game balance, not the card buff.

[Kacho_Nacho]

Me either, but I've read about it. On the other hand, I've seen this kind of stuff happen in WoW, so if we start getting a lot of players from WoW for the expansion . . .

Then those former WoW players are going to be in for a shock. From my observations, FFXIV players give more pushback when someone attempts to kick another for a stupid reason in a four man.

Heck, even when there's a good reason to kick the other, FFXIV players usually deny the kick. They rather just finish the dungeon. Granted this is all subjective but I've never observed the kind of behavior a lot of the "sky is falling, (insert job) will be kicked from every instance" posts go on about. I believe most players are aware of the meta but understand it doesn't matter in four mans.

[Tiva]

The only time I've seen something similar to this was in 2.0. When speedrunning/sac runs to farm tomes was king, groups typically wanted pld/whm/brd/blm. IIRC that was considered the BEST dungeon comp. (It probably wasn't, but I think it was considered to be.) So it was annoying for others to find a spot. Players who were part of that "best comp" had it made for finding groups and everyone else had to kind of mash together into other groups.

It's not the same thing as kicking someone. but it's also not ideal or fair. I think the ways this game has changed will make this not happen again tbh. But I may be surprised.

[LegoTechnic]

Then those former WoW players are going to be in for a shock. From my observations, FFXIV players give more pushback when someone attempts to kick another for a stupid reason in a four man.

Heck, even when there's a good reason to kick the other, FFXIV players usually deny the kick. They rather just finish the dungeon. Granted this is all subjective but I've never observed the kind of behavior a lot of the "sky is falling, (insert job) will be kicked from every instance" posts go on about. I believe most players are aware of the meta but understand it doesn't matter in four mans.

As a former WoW player, my observational opinion over the past two years is that there is absolutely no difference in the community outside of the obvious lack of Alliance vs Horde fangasms.

[Venjenz]

Me either, but I've read about it. On the other hand, I've seen this kind of stuff happen in WoW, so if we start getting a lot of players from WoW for the expansion . . .

I played WoW to the raid game through the first 5 xpacs over some 8 years...and not one time did I ever see someone kicked from a 5 man dungeon, in any mode, based solely on their class/spec. I don't even know anyone who has ever seen it happen, or even heard of it.

This is forum myth, nothing more.

And even in 8/24 player content, there are very few proper super-meta elite statics out there, and the folks in them max every class, all the gear, and practice endlessly to be in that top tier, so yes, they have class restrictions on certain things, but not easy-as-pie 4 man DF stuff.

[bounddreamer]

I have never seen a kick or even discussion of a kick for players not having optimal composition in a 4-person party.

I have seen players suggest big pulls for aoe friendly party comps, and I've refused to pull big when I don't have an aoe friendly party comp, but that's about it.

[Ayer2015]

Do that many people really kick is the real question I have... On here people make it seem as though its happening all the time, yet I rarely ever see it occur in my groups unless the person is afk/offline.
What I don't get is how my experience is so different from what others make out.

[Elamys]

Do that many people really kick is the real question I have... On here people make it seem as though its happening all the time, yet I rarely ever see it occur in my groups unless the person is afk/offline.
What I don't get is how my experience is so different from what others make out.

I've had the exact same experience, as have many of my friends - I rarely hear stories of people getting kicked for their behavior, even less for an unjustified one. It's nothing more than dramatics (or the people complaining about being kicked all the time not realizing that they're the reason.)