About Esuna, Exalted Detriment and Leeches change

[Phixx]

You guys keep saying that you "need" these abilities all the time. If that is the case then you can simply take them with the new role ability system, but apparently SE thinks that you don't always need them and therefor is allowing you the choice of taking them or to option of having a couple of other situational abilities.

These abilities were added here from baseline because SE wants to limit everyone to a certain amount of skills to not overwhelm the more casual population of the game with too many buttons. Please also remember that this system is replacing the cross class system which had no flexibility either. You don't always need Swiftcast, you don't always need a dispel, you don't always need a healing CD. But if you feel like your healer toolkit requires them, then take them, but other my not agree and they have the option of picking something else.

If it is truly as bad as you feel, maybe you should offer a suggestion that could replace it.

[Ootarion]

You guys keep saying that you "need" these abilities all the time. If that is the case then you can simply take them with the new role ability system, but apparently SE thinks that you don't always need them and therefor is allowing you the choice of taking them or to option of having a couple of other situational abilities.

These abilities were added here from baseline because SE wants to limit everyone to a certain amount of skills to not overwhelm the more casual population of the game with too many buttons. Please also remember that this system is replacing the cross class system which had no flexibility either. You don't always need Swiftcast, you don't always need a dispel, you don't always need a healing CD. But if you feel like your healer toolkit requires them, then take them, but other my not agree and they have the option of picking something else.

If it is truly as bad as you feel, maybe you should offer a suggestion that could replace it.

The suggestion would be to just leave the Healer Cleansers, Heal Power buffs, and MP refreshers that Healers have as part of their core kit. Everything else in the Healer Cross Role is fine. My only other suggestion would be to give Scholars a Cleanser that they get as their core kit at an earlier level for crying out loud. Like make it an Arcanist Ability that carries over to Scholar and maybe to Summoner (thing is Summoners already have a huge array of buttons as is, alot of which are DoTs).

[Furious]

If it is truly as bad as you feel, maybe you should offer a suggestion that could replace it.

An empty crossclass slot.

Don't take away core role mechanics for the sake of "filling 10 slots instead of 9".

For the record, there is no possible way that it becomes less confusing when you need to switch abilities on your bar to other abilities depending on the fight, so the argument that that is the reason why it is being done is ridiculous. This isn't better for the casual population either. Do you think a casual healer is going to feel less confused when he goes to dispel a mechanic and nothing happens, as he searches around the screen to find out why and notices cleric stance is active when he didn't think he had it?

This isn't an ability that added undue confusion; it has a very specific and obvious purpose. It doesn't interact with other abilities, it's not part of a combo, it was not in the least problematic. It's a basic, core healer mechanic that new players will now see as an option instead of an ability.

[LegoTechnic]

The suggestion would be to just leave the Healer Cleansers, Heal Power buffs, and MP refreshers that Healers have as part of their core kit. Everything else in the Healer Cross Role is fine. My only other suggestion would be to give Scholars a Cleanser that they get as their core kit at an earlier level for crying out loud. Like make it an Arcanist Ability that carries over to Scholar and maybe to Summoner (thing is Summoners already have a huge array of buttons as is, alot of which are DoTs).

While Leeches was always level 40, Selene gets her AoE cleanse (Fey Caress), at level 20 (meaning she has it when you get her at level 30).

ARC are DPS before then, so they don't need it prior to being a SCH.

[Ootarion]

While Leeches was always level 40, Selene gets her AoE cleanse (Fey Caress), at level 20 (meaning she has it when you get her at level 30).

ARC are DPS before then, so they don't need it prior to being a SCH.

Thank you for that correction LegoTechnic, but this just furthers my point. They shouldnt do this to the Healers.

[Lunali]

All the arguments here are ignoring a far more important point. By making the skill optional, some healers will decide not to take it, even when they should.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

All the arguments here are ignoring a far more important point. By making the skill optional, some healers will decide not to take it, even when they should.

If the DPS are getting hit by avoidable debuffs, then they need to git gud. I'm not gonna lose DPS cause they can't avoid a DoT that only does 2k damage for 15 seconds.

[LegoTechnic]

If the DPS are getting hit by avoidable debuffs, then they need to git gud. I'm not gonna lose DPS cause they can't avoid a DoT that only does 2k damage for 15 seconds.

Most debuffs you'd want to cleanse aren't avoidable, though?

[Ootarion]

Most debuffs you'd want to cleanse aren't avoidable, though?

Indeed, and Ive also learned btw, that White Mage Cure and Cure II are getting buffed by 50 Potency, this means that Cure will have 450 Cure Potency (up from 400) and Cure II will have 700 (up from 650) which makes Cure II ANOTHER Tetragrammaton which is an instant cast 700 Cure Potency Spell that White Mage gets at lvl 60. While spells like Benefic (which has a Cure Potency of 400 like Cure used to have) and Benefic II (which has a Cure Potency of 650 like Cure II use to have) are gonna get out shined by Cure and Cure II, would someone explain to me why White Mages need even better healing then they already had? Ive been told more then once that based on pure numbers, White Mages before Stormblood had the best numbers in terms of Healing power. With this buff, I feel like my AST (I main both WHM and AST equally) is being stepped on unfairly, yes I get that AST brings a whole lot of other things to the table, but the end result point is, DO....WHMs.....REALLY need this kind of buff? I mean Ive seen all the other amazing things they are getting in SB, like Thin Air which makes all their MP costs ZERO for 12 seconds, and a powerful AoE heal, and a new Stone IV, come on do they really need even more ridiculous amounts of healing? I main a WHM and Im saying this.

[Furious]

If the DPS are getting hit by avoidable debuffs, then they need to git gud. I'm not gonna lose DPS cause they can't avoid a DoT that only does 2k damage for 15 seconds.

Let's flip that around:

If the game is in a state where it is more valuable to continue dpsing than to dispel debuffs as a healer, something is wrong. Healers should be dpsing in their downtime, but not in lieu of the job they are there for.