Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Mhaeric]

What i do with stoneskin on all my healers is cast it on the tank right as the last mob is about to die. It does slightly vary based on situation though. E.g. As a scholar I almost invariably hardcast adloquium right as they are about to die and then swiftcast stoneskin as we run. If swiftcast isn't available then I stoneskin right as the mob dies and then adloquium as the tank runs away due to shorter cast time and then sprint to catch up if needed. On Astrologian I usually run Noct ans the shield is instant so I just hardcast stoneskin as the last mob dies and shoeld in the run. With white mage I just swiftcast stoneskin right as the last mob dies if only the tank lost theirs, or I swiftcast stoneskin 2 on the run if more than just the tank lost it.

The common theme here is doing it on the run and/or right as the last mob dies because it's literally free damage mitigation at that point due to the mana regenerared while running to the next pack or boss. I can get off an extra Holy, Gravity, or Broil because of it at the very least too.

As for stacking adlo/noct and stoneskin... with a good tank, sometimes I dont even need to heal them at all with a stoneskin/adlo combo due to their cd use, and I can be full time dps for that pack.

[Taika]

The common theme here is doing it on the run and/or right as the last mob dies because it's literally free damage mitigation at that point due to the mana regenerared while running to the next pack or boss. I can get off an extra Holy, Gravity, or Broil because of it at the very least too.

Exactly! Although I dislike using Swiftcast on Stoneskin (II) and prefer using it on Aero III / Holy or Shadowflare (I don't play AST and I'm talking about level 60 healer play here). But there's plenty of time to buff your tank between pulls when there's nothing else going on anyways.

[Vidu]

What i do with stoneskin on all my healers is cast it on the tank right as the last mob is about to die.

In case you're refering to my stroy here: Casting stoneskin between pulls in dungeons makes perfect sense and is ofc totally fine!
It just wasnt a dungeon though, but AS1 during the actual bossfight >.< just randomly in the middle of the fight - bäm, you get a stoneskin! It wasnt timed for tankbusters or that attack that targets a random person. It wasnt used as shield to allow the healer to dps for a bit (longer). It was just casted when even the scholar couldnt justify casting pysick because everyone had full health...

That scholar gave a very clear presentation of not knowing what they were doing and how to play properly on level 60 - considering scholar my main-healer that really made me itchy. I know its stupid to get triggered by little things like that, but when there is one thing I cant stand its ignorance...

Edit:
To tell a little story aswell here: I just finished up my Bard relic - after the light farming and that encounter with said scholar was done, it was time for primals! I ended up doing them the proper way, even! And that lead to the enormouse pleasure of getting paired up with new, cutscene watching people for each primal. So I was sitting there, patienly (and conflicted between the thoughts "come on, hurry, I want to be done here!" and "...well, the point of making us do primals again is to help new people to get their kills, so I guess this is working rather well..."), waiting for everyone to finish their cutscene. That worked out quite well - until I reached Shiva EX. Dragoon is watching cutscene, everyone is getting impatient already - jumping, casting protect over and over again, spamming shit that can be spammed, you know the drill. After 30 seconds on of the tanks claims that they're rather going to bed... and leaves. Because someone was watching a rather short cutscene. More people start leaving, but I decided to stay and help that poor newbie through the fight. I'm already planning on what friends to ask to join when the dragoon comes out of the cutscene and comments it with "So we're fighting Elsa?". At that point I figured its time to try and solo Shiva...

[Mhaeric]

Not responding to your story specifically, just the general statememts that were being made about healers not using stoneskin or stacking all their shields.

[Hamada]

Did you happen to tell him to eat a fruit? I have only had this situation once (on first boss) and I kept saying in party chat "eat a fruit" "please eat a fruit" and they wouldn't and they died. I ressed them and said "please eat a fruit when you get 3 stacks" and he ran around and ate all the fruit even when it respawned. I guess he was mad that hedied? IDK. We ended up wiping because of no fruit for the rest of the group. We kicked him after that and got someone that ate fruit properly.... but really I have no idea what he thought he was doing.

Err prob did not understand. My first time someone said "eat fruit" then pulled. I had no idea what "eat fruit" meant so we all wiped, they pulled before I could even explain I was confused what they meant. However during the battle I watched and learned but the general population don't take their own step to try understand. I would give them more then "one wipe" chance to understand, did you try explain anything after?

Run it solo. Took me about 75 minutes on WHM (No seriously, unless you just want to challenge yourself, it's basically just annoying more than challenging, but I wanted to see how facerolled it has become. And yes i know there's no reward for doing this.)

Most of the time wasted was Cid being a slowpoke.


Had a recent Aurum Vale run with two BLM DPS that at the first boss they're both taking dirt naps, I didn't see what they were doing, so when we come back to the boss again, one DPS dies, the other DPS is bouncing around taking all the Morbol fruit and not DPS'ing. Oooohkay.

I know everyone hates on Aurum Vale for that specific mechanic, clearly everyone has played it before, though that DPS appeared to only have leveled BLM. What I don't get is why this guy felt the need to take all of them?

I never seen that happen , 75 mins? did you do anything to step up and lead? The reason I never saw problems is because I step up and speak when it is needed.

I'm glad Cleric Stance will be dead. I did a leveling dungeon as AST, I believe it was Dusk Vigil. The tank seemed to be doing okay with pulls, so I'd switch into Cleric and DPS after throwing them a Regen. Well, we got to a pull that got a little crazy so I switch Cleric Stance off, pop Lightspeed and.... Oh wait, Cleric Stance DID NOT come off and now the tank is dead. And I always feel like people don't believe me when I tell them, sometimes Cleric Stance doesn't come off even when you 100% hit the correct button to take it the heck off! Me and the Dragoon ended up being the last two standing. We finished off the mobs that were left over but the tank was not impressed.

I've been a healer main since 1.0 going from WHM, to SCH when it debuted in 2.0, and now to AST so while I was annoyed with myself for the death, I can see how someone just learning a healing class would probably feel very upset and be very reluctant to go back to the Stance Dance. I'm really hoping that the change to Cleric Stance will change some hearts and people won't be so nervous to DPS.

For the record, I'm 100% Pro-Healer DPS but I've always hated Cleric Stance.

It is a coding issue, it happens to all abilities. Also post been funner with:

[Miste]

I never seen that happen , 75 mins? did you do anything to step up and lead? The reason I never saw problems is because I step up and speak when it is needed.

She was soloing it. Not a normal run so that's why it took her 75 mins.

[Aramina]

Err prob did not understand. My first time someone said "eat fruit" then pulled. I had no idea what "eat fruit" meant so we all wiped, they pulled before I could even explain I was confused what they meant. However during the battle I watched and learned but the general population don't take their own step to try understand. I would give them more then "one wipe" chance to understand, did you try explain anything after?

Well, if he had said he didn't understand or made any comment at all then maybe I would have sat and discussed it more. As a general rule though, I expect that by level 49 people have learned to see their debuffs and "eat a fruit at 3 stacks" seems pretty straightforward to me. /shrugs

[KisaiTenshi]

Err prob did not understand. My first time someone said "eat fruit" then pulled. I had no idea what "eat fruit" meant so we all wiped, they pulled before I could even explain I was confused what they meant. However during the battle I watched and learned but the general population don't take their own step to try understand. I would give them more then "one wipe" chance to understand, did you try explain anything after?

When I play a dungeon and the DPS feels low (or it seems like I'm doing more damage) I check the other players to see if someone is a newbie, but everyone had to have played it at least once since no "players are new to this instance" message came up.

I never seen that happen , 75 mins? did you do anything to step up and lead? The reason I never saw problems is because I step up and speak when it is needed.

It was solo. I've been trying to see which instances can be done solo (eg which can be done faster solo than a party) and on a whim I decided to try Castrum because that's the only one that seems too much of a faceroll for a party of 8.

She was soloing it. Not a normal run so that's why it took her 75 mins.

It also probably could have been done a little faster, but Cid takes his sweet time.

[MoroMurasaki]

I basically just heal. I'm a SCH main and as such take pleasure in out-DPSing my DPS. Queued for roulette and got Sohm Al Hard. WAR, DRG and MNK so I'm prepared to throw out a lot of healing because melee but also that means I'm the strongest AOE we have. Tank does the usual double pulls before the first boss, I spread an Adlo (a crit! Best feeling!) and throw up my dots to bane. WAR types "wtf???" but I don't see it and he winds up pulling the next group.

I do the same thing with no crit but even though his health drops a bit I keep him above the 5k mark. I'm waiting for the first boss to be pulled when he elaborates and tells me I need to heal well before I can DPS or just roll SMN. Before I can respond he pulls (with no adlo) and I decide I am going to do my damdest to DPS the heck out of this boss. I do and he goes Deliverance, I don't know if he was trying to stay ahead of me or what but I rip the boss off of him and we wipe.

The usual game of blame the healer happens and I encourage them all to just move on. Befoe he pulls this time he says "show her, make sure she has to heal" and these people start eating AoE left and right. I don't know if they were friends or what but I ate the penalty and left because I'd rather look at the market board than sit through another 2 bosses of that behavior.

[Lilseph]

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This was painful to read. I'm so sorry you had to deal with these people. You're helping them with DPS and no one died, yet they still complain. People nowdays...