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  1. #1
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    BlackironTarkus's Avatar
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    Jin Karasu
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    Balmung
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    Dark Knight Lv 90

    Bloodspiller should be an oGCD.

    It doesn't really seem all that powerful as a GCD. It's usage is a very minor dps increase because of the way our kits work, and because it delays our regular combo it might not even be worth it in some situations depending on if you need MP for burst windows.

    As it stands, bloodspiller feels like a replacement for scourge that does less damage per button press but happens more frequently.

    We also lost Low Blows and Reprisals which added to the speed/responsive feel of playing DRK, and the increased cost of dark passenger makes it not spending mana on during single target, making us lose another oGCD.

    The class will feel extremely boring.

    But as an oGCD, you could do some interesting things. It could be banked for burst windows without much detriment.

    Damage can always be tuned so that this wouldn't be op but I've always enjoyed the speed at which dark knight was played, with all it's oGCDs. The immense slowdown just increases the similarity we have to 3.0's paladin.
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    Reynhart's Avatar
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    Reynhart Kristensen
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    Ragnarok
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    Dark Knight Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by BlackironTarkus View Post
    As it stands, bloodspiller feels like a replacement for scourge that does less damage per button press but happens more frequently.
    Bloodspiller is our Fell-Cleave-that-works-even-in-Grit
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    Skaige Sanoske
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    Culinarian Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
    Bloodspiller is our Fell-Cleave-that-works-even-in-Grit
    I really hope you're kidding...but I didn't see the "/s"
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    Reynhart's Avatar
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    Reynhart Kristensen
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    Quote Originally Posted by Decederes View Post
    I really hope you're kidding...but I didn't see the "/s"
    How would you call a 500+ potency GCD that cost 50 of our specific job gauge ?
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    Goffard Gaffgarion
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    Sargatanas
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    Dark Knight Lv 73
    From what we know, I'd say leave BS/Q on GCD but add Delirium's BP/BW duration extension to them. Also..

    ..Reduce Delirium's MP restore and remove recast, rename Blood Price to Dread Spikes and buff it so it has a built in damage reflect (30% chance to inflict 75 potency counter), add 20second +20 evasion to DA'Dark Mind, introduce the new UI gauge @ lvl45 (at least part of it) & have it provide a visual representation for stacks of Dark Arts (let DRK stack up to 3).

    Buff the Dark Arts enmity effect of Power Slash, or +140 potency (seems to be the DA motto of SB), or change it to a DoT - something anything to make it viable. Change Souleater absorb so it doesn't require Grit, but in Grit the amount of health restored increases with the lower the DRK's HP (up to 2x the amount of damage dealt). Replace Blackest Night with Doom Spikes, thematically the same skill, but with guaranteed 75 potency damage counter on each hit received while barrier is still up. Trait for Salted Earth that adds a 30% chance to reset bubble's duration every time Dark Arts is used.

    I'll believe Sole Survivor has TA utility when I see it. Danced to this tune before, not getting fooled again.


    whew got that out of my system.
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    saber_alter's Avatar
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    Lyrre Myste
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    Cactuar
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    Dark Knight Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Decederes View Post
    I really hope you're kidding...but I didn't see the "/s"
    That's literally what it is. it's a high damage ability that costs resources and ignores damage debuffs from the tank stance.
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    Claire Pendragon
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    Mateus
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    EDIT: I'm an idiot, thought TDN was on the GCD lol
    While I would enjoy it off the GCD, I would accept it as a GCD, due to being able to blow 2 in a row for bursts.

    But The Blackest Night really needs to be oGCD, as it stands, it "almost" removes the DPS loss by giving 50 blood, but is a DPS loss, making BS feel less like a spike in dmg, but rather a means to play catch up after using TBN.
    (Either oGCD, which is cooler, less MP cost by a small %, or give extra blood, like 5-10 more.)


    EDIT: Dark Passenger might now cost as much as a Dark Arts, but Dark Arts only grants +140 potency to ther 3 GCDs.
    Dark Passenger will grant a 150 potency attack. (w/o DA if i remember correctly, and 240 with DA, making it a +90 potency with DA, being the most useless outside of AoE)

    So its technically still worth using when its up, and has higher priority to use the MP for it over the GCDs.
    Only Carve and Spit is the higher priority over Dark Passenger, having a +350 potency from DA.

    EDIT: actually, in 8man, with slashing debuff, GCDs are worth the DA more than dark passenger. save it for AoE or bursts.
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    Last edited by Claire_Pendragon; 06-10-2017 at 02:05 AM.

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    Bhearil's Avatar
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    Tuya Bayaqud
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    Balmung
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    Bard Lv 52
    Aside when you have slashing debuff
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    Claire Pendragon
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhearil View Post
    Aside when you have slashing debuff
    Ah, good point, I forgot about that. That does mean it gains lower priority.
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    CLAIRE PENDRAGON

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    Sylvana Tenebri
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    Malboro
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    Marauder Lv 79
    Quote Originally Posted by Claire_Pendragon View Post
    Ah, good point, I forgot about that. That does mean it gains lower priority.
    Yeah, using it on GCD weapon skills nets +154 ish potency, not 150, assuming slashing is up. A small difference, though.
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