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[DracotheDragon]

Wolf person is just a wolf person.

behold Kelgar Vlondett a important werewolf from FFV

but by that logic,

viera are bunny people and bunny people are bunny people dont need them in

miqote are cat people cat people are cat people they dont need to be in

humans are humans :P

Kimari was a ronso a lion person, but i guess he isnt important in his game

Fraya was a rat person guess she wasnt important in her game *hums*

see what i am getting at haha,

besides yoshi-p did say a while ago, when the au ra were announced, that the viera only got high votes (in there thoreys) becuse they were named as a excample. people dont want originality they want the same old same old, :P

besides one thing those who are obsessed with the viera dont seem to think of is this

TWO RACES we could always get two of them. we could get one, we could get none :P the peeps who will know this is yoshi-p and the develoupment crew.
also to introduce a whole race to a game as a cameo to a game coming out wouldnt be a clever idea, as a tempiory thing like lightning it could work but not as a playable race, no game has ever done that.

also before anyone goes 'your being mean becuse no viera' i want them in, but as a beast race, or non playable, it would be nice for a humanoid non playable race that mixes in with sociaty different to the beast races we currently have.



edit: also you keep going on how a furry race isnt something the japanese will do, they have done this before, squere enix do very beastial races compared to the typical eastern beast like races, the ronso bumecians Nu mou Bangaa and moogles have all be quite anthropamorphic but still beastial in comparason to other games like the char, but less humanoid then most eastern's MMO's of just a bit of fluff on a human body. just becuse you may not like this idea and think it wont work, dosnt mean it WILL NOT work,

[Abriael]

behold Kelgar Vlondett a important werewolf from FFV

No. he is a secondary character from one of the least popular Final Fantasy games of all time.

viera are bunny people and bunny people are bunny people dont need them in


miqote are cat people cat people are cat people they dont need to be in

Viera and Miquote are not furry/monster races, they're humans with VERY limited animal features, which is ok or even desirable on the asian market, contrary to fully furry/beast/monster races.

Kimari was a ronso a lion person, but i guess he isnt important in his game

Fraya was a rat person guess she wasnt important in her game *hums*

No. They're not important because their popularity isn't even in the same galaxy as Fran.

see what i am getting at haha

Yes, you're making false comparisons to prove false points. Good job.

TWO RACES we could always get two of them. we could get one

We could also get starships and aliens. Your point?

also you keep going on how a furry race isnt something the japanese will do, they have done this before, squere enix do very beastial races compared to the typical eastern beast like races, the ronso bumecians Nu mou Bangaa and moogles have all be quite anthropamorphic but still beastial in comparason to other games like the char, but less humanoid then most eastern's MMO's of just a bit of fluff on a human body. just becuse you may not like this idea and think it wont work, dosnt mean it WILL NOT work,

You're comparing single player RPGs where one player has control on a large party (and the ability to leave members out), which allows a lot more room for "token" characters, and a MMORPG in which most players will play only one character at the same time. You also bring up non-playable race which has absolutely no bearing here.
Basically, more random points that have absolutely no bearing on the conversation about a playable race in a MMORPG.

[DracotheDragon]

No. he is a secondary character from one of the least popular Final Fantasy games of all time.

ff5 ranked 5th on IGN in 2016 3rd on screenrant in november of 2016 8th on Dorkly on August 29, 2016 and 5th on kotaku (though i dont like this site.) in 2013 (when they ranked ff games)
it isnt the worst or one of the worst to most and nor is it one of the bests (with the exception of Screen rant.) how you feel of the game is subjective as with them, so *shrug*

Viera and Miquote are not furry/monster races, they're humans with VERY limited animal features, which is ok or even desirable on the asian market, contrary to fully furry/beast/monster races.

and yet with the hyperbole going over your head, here. the way i ment for it to be implied is, why not get rid of anything that isnt human, since that is one of the if not THE highest played races, not only this, but why focus on the way they would anthropomorphise when it could be even more so on a us and them sort of way, removing the Roegadyn, would then make them into enemy half giants, but the player base would be on the more popular human way, the awnser to this is typical in a RPG setting, thanks to dungions and dragons and the popularity it had world wide creating the staple of a human a elf some race that is more physicly empowerd and one that is short. the japanese do focus on the 'cute' factor as shown with lalafells, western games have done this to a point as well.

but to say that all japan would ignore a beast race to imply that it would not be used in the slightest in japan would undermine those who would choose said race. such as for example removing the roe race would cause a backlash from the player base who enjoy that race.

No. They're not important because their popularity isn't even in the same galaxy as Fran.

using results from nova crystalis of a popularity vote for female charecters in japan in 2013 Frans name did not appear once on the list. this was after the game had come out and had time to curculate the stores in it's respected region, there has not been another vote like this from Squere enix. so if she is popular now it hasnt been documented.

Yes, you're making false comparisons to prove false points. Good job.

Hyperbolic statements are not to be taken extreamly siriously.

We could also get starships and aliens. Your point?

and with this i could also get a wolf and furry race along side or insted of a Viera, your point good sir.

You're comparing single player RPGs where one player has control on a large party (and the ability to leave members out), which allows a lot more room for "token" characters, and a MMORPG in which most players will play only one character at the same time. You also bring up non-playable race which has absolutely no bearing here.
Basically, more random points that have absolutely no bearing on the conversation about a playable race in a MMORPG.

i am comparing the game to the franchise before it yes, but even in games such as this there are forms of tokens that could be taken or left out, with this you could be happy with the fact a furry anthropomorphic race excists in this game, without the need for you to ever make one, since we know we will interact with this race during the events of stormsblood.
a franchise will always play within there own strenghs in a seires and final fantasy has always been known for unique and diverse charecters of veering ages and species, this would be like saying that the MMO for the Elder Scrolls game wont have Kahjit or Argonian simply becuse noone likes them, when they can be called 'token' charecters in that game. same goes for the Charr in Giuld wars 2 which were not a playable race in the first game. though the player base for that race is smaller then the others, they are still a beloved playable race in the franchise of that series. and within that to write of a complete concept of an idea to play it safe doesn't always tend to get as much of a good result or positive fan feed back from there respected communities without a form of experimentation.

the viera are considderd becuse of there fan following then i compare them again to the beloved Ronso of final fantasy X and to the Bumcians of Final fantasy 9 or the Bangaa from final fantasy 12 and even the MOOGLES from the whole franchise, to which all (baring 11 and 14) are from single player games. with that i am comparing them to the other races established in the games history, and that comparason is just due to how both of the original designs and spechies both in all technicality come from a single player game. with that i state my point of, to put it simply "why not both"

but hey if they always go for the cute and human races, then i guess we wont get Viera or the wolves playable and insted we will get the humming way since they are humanised quite a bit very small and made to be 'adorable' using your own reasoning there. even more since 'Usagi' or Lupine type monsters in varying different Japanese games (i.E Pokemon) are very popular.

[savageink]

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I'm going to warn you that arguing with these guys gets you nowhere. The same guys use sock puppets and go from message board to message board requesting Viera. Check a few threads on reddit the responses get pretty funny.

[DracotheDragon]

I'm going to warn you that arguing with these guys gets you nowhere. The same guys use sock puppets and go from message board to message board requesting Viera. Check a few threads on reddit the responses get pretty funny.

might have to, the fun thing is i aint even against having the veria in this game XD
just i love how everyone seems to go NO ONLY THE BUNNYS,
tbh i was typing all this while waiting for something to cook kills time :3


to keep this reply on thread however,
viera yes wolves yes,
both beastraces sure why not both playable would love it.
would i play veria not really.

[Abriael]

ff5 ranked 5th on IGN in 2016 3rd on screenrant in november of 2016 8th on Dorkly on August 29, 2016 and 5th on kotaku (though i dont like this site.) in 2013 (when they ranked ff games) it isnt the worst or one of the worst to most and nor is it one of the bests (with the exception of Screen rant.) how you feel of the game is subjective as with them, so *shrug*

You do understand that how some dude on some site ranks final fantasy game is absolutely irrelevant, right?

but hey if they always go for the cute and human races, then i guess we wont get Viera or the wolves playable and insted we will get the humming way since they are humanised quite a bit very small and made to be 'adorable' using your own reasoning there. even more since 'Usagi' or Lupine type monsters in varying different Japanese games (i.E Pokemon) are very popular.

The rest is drivel, but this is particularly funny. Viera are perfectly viable within the races that are nearly human in looks, and have very minimal animal traits, exactly like miqo'te.

I'm going to warn you that arguing with these guys gets you nowhere. The same guys use sock puppets and go from message board to message board requesting Viera. Check a few threads on reddit the responses get pretty funny.

LOL. Talk about a complete strawman argument.

For your information, Final Fantasy XII is one of my least favorite personally, since the story was awful and the charactrrs were mediocre. I also don't care for viera, nor will I ever play one. This doesn't mean that I'm not able to easily recognize that their impact marketing-wise is worlds ahead of that of any furry/monster race, and to easily understand that with a MMORPG as mature as FFXIV, Square Enix will most probably go with the race that will bring them more money/accounts. Again, marketing 101.

[Lambdafish]

You do understand that how some dude on some site ranks final fantasy game is absolutely irrelevant, right?

So is you pulling "Viera is the most popular race and will have a huge marketing effect" out of your ass, just saying. Like Draco said, there is no data to suggest that anyone outside of this game cares about Viera in the slightest.

[Abriael]

So is you pulling "Viera is the most popular race and will have a huge marketing effect" out of your ass, just saying.

Oh, look, another strawman argument. I never said that Viera is "the most popular race." I said that as the race of a classic and popular character of a popular Final Fantasy game that is also getting a remake on the most popular current generation console platform, it has an exponentially higher marketing effect than that of a beast/monster/furry race. Which really isn't rocket science.

[Lambdafish]

Oh, look, another strawman argument. I never said that Viera is "the most popular race." I said that as the race of a classic and popular character of a popular Final Fantasy game that is also getting a remake on the most popular current generation console platform, it has an exponentially higher marketing effect than that of a beast/monster/furry race. Which really isn't rocket science.

Yeah ok, you are right, I should have quoted properly, what you said was:

No. They're not important because their popularity isn't even in the same galaxy as Fran.

That's exactly the point. It won't. On the other hand, adding Viera will. Which is why they won't add a furry race, and they will most probably add Viera at some point.

I'll reiterate, there is no data to suggest that anyone outside of this game cares about Viera in the slightest.

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You can reiterate as much as you like. It remains a false point.

Race of playable character from a game that is receiving a remake today on a popular platform, with its own marketing behind it > random furry race that doesn't have any of that support.

FFX HD came out on PS4 two years ago, that release wouldn't really sell much at this point. Viera wouldn't come out until 2-4 years down the road, if ever, at which point Zodiac age will be old news, so the idea that this brand new game is going to sell people on Viera doesn't really match up with the releases. Zodiac age has as much chance of selling outside players on Viera as the original FFXII does, just like triple triad and blitzball have gotten around the same amount of attention regardless of FFX HD having been released (2 years ago on PS4).

My point isn't false because I am not making a point, I am refuting yours. I am asking for facts with evidence, which you cannot give.

The wolf race has advantages over Viera in other ways, WoW players could gravitate towards that race more because it is unique and westernised (like nothing we have currently), and like Draco said, there is the reference to FFV, which was my first thought when I saw them (remember that omega is FFV themed).

Actually there is..back in 2012 and by Yoshi-p no less http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/46936 (scroll down and see Mammalian demi-beast race.)

I have said my piece on that post already, but I was referring to players outside of the game who would be drawn to the game specifically by the Viera race, that poll is for current players.

[Abriael]

I'll reiterate, there is no data to suggest that anyone outside of this game cares about Viera in the slightest.

You can reiterate as much as you like. It remains a false point.

Race of playable character from a game that is receiving a remake today on a popular platform, with its own marketing behind it > random furry race that doesn't have any of that support.

And that without even considering that Viera has the sexy factor behind it, and sexy notoriously sells.

You're very free to hold your breath for a different outcome, but I suggest you take in some air at some point.