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    KisaiTenshi's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada View Post
    If you are going to ignore people's points and questions because it does not suit your narrative why are you posting? Oh I know why, because it is the text book example of a troll
    I'm not ignoring anything. Trolls put you on the defensive, and you let them win if you respond to their irrelevant distractions.

    This is how I play the game:
    https://youtu.be/QhWxJ_glQoY

    Pretty much every "healer must DPS" is going to look at that and go "you suck", yet:

    - Content was cleared
    - Content was not spoiled
    - I was not overgeared for the content
    - Bard DPS was writing puns at every opportunity (and the entire reason the chat had to be blocked at all)
    - Tank was responding to the puns with groans and comments similar to that
    - Bard has all their combat classes at 60, and appears to main Bard
    - Tank has all their combat classes at 60, and appears to main Scholar
    - Dragoon is playing their only level 60 DPS class
    - Bard and Tank clearly know each other and are on the same FC.

    - I healed primarily using Cure / Cure II and brought out other healing options when I felt it was called for. You know, the way the upcoming V4.0 WHM Lily system would benefit from.


    Nobody was telling anyone how to play their role. Everyone was having fun. That is how I prefer to play PUG content.

    So give it a rest. Yoshi-P has made his intentions clear multiple times since the beginning of the game, and every time, "the meta" turns people into obnoxious trolls. Let players experience the content for themselves and if you don't like how other people play, form a static with like-minded people and leave the duty finder alone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi View Post
    "the meta" turns people into obnoxious trolls.
    I hate to drag old threads into this, but it's kinda funny how you bring up obnoxious trolling when you told everyone that Regen is a spell only to be used by tanks who ask for it because they'll have trouble battling you for threat with it up and you not DPS'ing still.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greedalox View Post
    I hate to drag old threads into this, but it's kinda funny how you bring up obnoxious trolling when you told everyone that Regen is a spell only to be used by tanks who ask for it because they'll have trouble battling you for threat with it up and you not DPS'ing still.

    Girl.
    That didn't come out of nowhere.
    http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ler-cast-regen (note 2013)
    The different healing powers have different enmity mods. Regen has an enmity modifier of 1. Cure has an enmity modifier of .5. Cure II and a lot of the bigger heals have an enmity modifier of .8.

    Barring Provoke on a target that you have absolutely no threat on while someone else has a crapton, Medica II is the highest enmity generating power *in the game*: it'll hit 8 targets for a potency 200 heal at a .8 modifier and then tick for 500 more over 15 seconds at a modifier of 1. That's 5280 enmity as spell potency *from a single 3 second cast*.

    No healer should cast Regen or Medica II *any time* close to an add spawning: 10 seconds before and after a new enemy enters combat is Medica II/Regen no-time. If a healer casts either of those spells during that time, that healer better expect to take more than a few hits to the face by ripping aggro off of the tank, regardless of how good the tank is at generating aggro. Even Shroud of Saints isn't going to do enough a lot of the time: they simply generate *too much enmity* for a tank to rip back.

    Most of the time that a healer rips aggro from a tank, it's not the tank's fault: healing generates aggro *really* efficiently, especially when it's AoE healing. A healer that heals indiscriminately is going to give even an *amazing* tank a helluva time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi View Post
    That didn't come out of nowhere.
    http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ler-cast-regen (note 2013)
    It came from here

    Quote Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi View Post
    And yet, look at what thread we're in. Bad advice stays bad advice and isn't stricken from experience once something changes. My experience has been don't cast regen unless the tank asks for it or the debuffs are stacking and can't be Esuna'd away. I've neither hand complaints or suggestions about regen use except for the occasional tank that has mistaken me for a newbie. But as I said, experience shows what Regen is for. It's not something you must cast constantly like some would have you believe. There is a reason that Cure -> Cure II -> Cure III combo exists, and people don't use it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi View Post
    That didn't come out of nowhere.
    http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ler-cast-regen (note 2013)
    How weird, my tanks never loose aggro when I use my Regen on them.
    Something must be wrong with the game...
    I probably shouldn't use Shroud of Saint at the same time as Medica II as well.

    Remember your videos your posted?
    Regen, Asylyum and you used some cure ! Healing while there are hots active are generating more aggro than if let regen do the work on their own.

    Why are you quoting a post of aggro modifier you don't ever apply or understand.

    please...
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    Quote Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi View Post
    Nobody was telling anyone how to play their role. Everyone was having fun. That is how I prefer to play PUG content.
    It's 5 AM, so not going to watch whole 40 mins - but I did notice you throwing few Aero and Aero II now and then. Quite many unused GCD's and some over-healing, tho.

    With Cleric Stance changes coming in about a week, it's going to be even easier to throw your Aero since you don't need to activate Cleric Stance first.
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    Ama, Illyria, here you go.

    Quote Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi View Post

    This is how I play the game:
    https://youtu.be/QhWxJ_glQoY
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    Quote Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi View Post

    This is how I play the game:
    https://youtu.be/QhWxJ_glQoY
    Can you show us how YOU actually play? All I see is a healing bot. Terribly programmed too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi View Post

    This is how I play the game:
    https://youtu.be/QhWxJ_glQoY
    I felt offended after watching this
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    Quote Originally Posted by Opswar View Post
    I felt offended after watching this
    I had to que into a leveling roulette to help me cleanse myself of seeing that and spending 90% of the time in cleric stance. My FC is also collectively saying what the hell am i watching
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