Yoshi P to Mr.Happy "Heal DPS is not mandatory and no expectation for Healer to DPS!"

[YanDere]

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You're just making a fool of yourself at this point.

[joannaluttrell]

Are his/her reasons any less valid than your reasons which are based your individual preferences and opinions? no they are not. Resulting to name calling offers little in swaying people towards your opinion.

Posting on alt.

I am not trying to sway anyone. Refusing to do your primary job because someone may ask you to contribute in another way IS childish. Refusing to do what you signed up for is completely indefensible. That is far and away beyond even healers refusing to dps.

Red Mage actually has a very strong healing spell, it seems. I wonder if people are aware of that.

It has been mentioned, and has also been mentioned that if it is needed people would expect it to be used.

[Feidam]

Posting on alt.

I am not trying to sway anyone. Refusing to do your primary job because someone may ask you to contribute in another way IS childish. Refusing to do what you signed up for is completely indefensible. That is far and away beyond even healers refusing to dps.



It has been mentioned, and has also been mentioned that if it is needed people would expect it to be used.

healer dps in dungeons is not needed. period. furthermore if no-one died they did their job. dps is and has always been extra. This was never a discussion until the speed run mentality went full tilt. a little side note, i've seen way more healers willing to dps on regular pulls vs the large pulls. gear or not if they are not comfortable weaving dps on the super pulls they won't. granted the removal of cleric stance will probably alleviate this some.

[joannaluttrell]

healer dps in dungeons is not needed. period. furthermore if no-one died they did their job. dps is and has always been extra. This was never a discussion until the speed run mentality went full tilt. a little side note, i've seen way more healers willing to dps on regular pulls vs the large pulls. gear or not if they are not comfortable weaving dps on the super pulls they won't. granted the removal of cleric stance will probably alleviate this some.

Did you actually read what I was replying to? She said she refuses to heal because the meta is to dps. She will let people die to prove a point. Why are you defending this?

Here is what I was replying to:

Oh, don't get me wrong, I can do both just fine. I just prefer to spend every GCD spamming dps because I like having the excuse to. It would be infinitely more boring if I had to actually heal. I play a healer to spam a simple rotation, not keep people alive~

[floofuf]

Red Mage actually has a very strong healing spell, it seems. I wonder if people are aware of that.

I'm aware. But I think we can all agree that if a RDM is just spamming Vercure and not doing anything, everyone would feel happy to give them a kick.

[Ry0uSh1n]

The only real way to "fix" this whole "Healers SHOULD DPS" is to disable their damaging spells/abilities while they are in a dungeon/raid. Which would make them 100% healer's. The only reason for healers dps would be for open world and solo content. This will never happen of course, disabling of abilities/spells, so the mindset of "Healers WILL DPS or Vote Kick" will remain. Sadly. That is and will always be the way of the community.

[Demise]

I think there's a pretty big difference between running your first extreme trial or savage raid as a healer, and whether you can weave in enough DPS to make people not yell at you for not, and running an expert roulette that you have done 8 million times before and how much DPS you do there. I can spend a good chunk of expert roulette in cleric stance, doing as much DPS as the other classes if not more on the big pulls. But I know for a fact that my dps the first time I ran Sephirot EX my DPS was shit because turning cleric stance on was risking someones death every time because I didn't know the fight.

Since the majority of the people in this thread would respond that you should stop sucking/get good/stop being lazy because I wasn't pulling high DPS on a difficult fight weren't actually in the group, they don't give a crap that it was hard enough just to keep everyone alive. They only care about yelling at the hypothetical lazy healers that you encounter about as often as the black mage spamming blizzard I or the paladin that doesn't use flash.

Lazy players are always going to be lazy players no matter what their role and no one wants to play with them. The healer that keeps you alive but didn't think they would have enough time to cleric stance, get all their dots off, and then turn off cleric stance before you died to standing in fire is not necessarily a lazy player. Everyone needs to chill out with the accusations and the drama over something that isn't an issue for the average player. The people who want to DPS will be happy with the cleric stance changes and be more comfortable with it. The people who are lazy will still be too lazy. Lumping all people who play healers into the same group is exhausting.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Did you actually read what I was replying to? He said he refuses to heal because the meta is to dps. He will let people die to prove a point. Why are you defending this?

Here is what I was replying to:

Many, many, many healers will let dps die in favor of doing more damage, just from a cursory glance through these forums. So long as I don't let the tank die, I consider my job complete. That's what oGCD's are for no?

I'm aware. But I think we can all agree that if a RDM is just spamming Vercure and not doing anything, everyone would feel happy to give them a kick.

I wouldn't mind. That's just more reason for me to only dps.

[Hamada]

If this debate continues, I would not be suprised to see SE remove the option for healers to dps in dungeons and raids at all. This will only hurt those of us who do like to dps in dungeons and raids.

Less healers doing dps means we need to rely on dps doing actual (decent) dps. May the lord help us all when that day comes.

I dare them to try that with the current state of the game. The mass quitting of healers be so large you bee waiting 1 hr + in queues in current content. Healer DPS is not the problem, PEOPLE SAYING HEALERS DO NOT NEED TO DPS is the problem! premade abuse and telling healers they are **** for using cleric at all is the problem. BASHING A HEALER because a tank has to use CDS because the healer is contributing is a problem.

If you think being brutally honest if being toxic you need a good reality check ASAP. I'm putting things under perspective. I'm telling you a very simple fact that you and other can get their head round to it , DPSing as a healer is OPTIONAL. Simple as that and trying to FORCE others to do what you want them to do it even worst.

the dps actions are there. You either chose to use them or not it's not my problem as it shouldn't be yours. As long as the healer keeps me alive that's all that matters to me.

How about if I be brutally honest with you? You are clueless, you are ignoring logical arguments to spew toxicity and promoting toxic behavior. There is something wrong with you when you can't see the issue behind a shield healer doing more DPS then 2 DPS, a tank and a pure healer, where the pure healer is a regen user + said pure healer being out DPS by range LB. Keep in mind the shield healer as AST, not SCH so they where doing it all themself + keeping buffs on, using the roll every 30 sec and appling AoE balance with that DPS and top healer as a shield user.

pure healing is lazy, pure and simple. that whm was very lazy in that group. (or unskilled/new)

[Feidam]

Did you actually read what I was replying to? She said she refuses to heal because the meta is to dps. She will let people die to prove a point. Why are you defending this?

Here is what I was replying to:

I know exactly what she said,but I also know she was trolling you because of your antagonist way of responding to folks. i've seen her other replies. When you result to name calling that's what you get. however, if you look at my post it was regarding that healer dps is not needed in a dungeon. i wasn't defending her/him. if I felt she actually did that i would say something. However based on other post i've seen them make i believe this isn't the actual behavior.