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  1. #201
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    Vanitas's Avatar
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    Vanitas Olterian
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    Dark Knight Lv 80
    So it's ok to do half our job? As long as we do our primary role right? Well as long as I'm dealing dps I'll go ahead and SPAM true thrust from now on since dpsing is my primary role not how WELL i dps. That shouldn't matter as long as in attacking right? True thrust spam it is! This was very enlightening!
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  2. #202
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    Cynehild Westknight
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    Yoshi stated during a previous live letter that healer dps was not included in the dps checks when Raids were being tested. Every content is 100% clearable without healer DPS. He also stated that healer DPS can be used to make up the difference if actual DPS weren't bringing enough of it. Healer DPS is a bonus to help clear content, not a requirement. In early stages of savage content I'm sure it can make a difference in a clear or not, just like tank dps can but once people get used to the content and are not undergeared for it, then healer DPS doesn't make as much of a difference.

    By design healer DPS is not required, its a bonus. As long as the party lives, I don't really care if the healer does dps or not. Its a nice bonus but I won't be bothered by the dungeon taking an extra 5 min to complete.
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  3. #203
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    Drakth Ardos
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    Phoenix
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    White Mage Lv 100
    This thread (and this argument) is hilarious.

    It's basically two children sitting in a sandbox, flinging sand at eachother, yelling, and fighting over toys.

    Neither side will ever win, because you will never be able to sway everyone to "your" side. The sooner you realise this, the sooner you can (hopefully) enjoy the game a little bit more.
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  4. #204
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    Erys Shir'en
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alien_Gamer View Post
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    You are correct except for the lack of context that the dps needed is that from 4 dps performing 80-90% their dummy rotation (mechanics come first, mind you) while slightly above minimum ilvl. Iirc that was the whole info.
    That's why early clears use healer dps, because else they'd need more gear.
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  5. #205
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    Aoshi Firedancer
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    I hope healers are dpsing, because my PLD is blowing defensive CDs, using cover, abusing clemency just for that very reason. In normal roulette there is very little for them left to heal, especially with SCH pet.
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  6. #206
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    Duelle Urelle
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    I've said it before, but Yoshida is trying to please everyone when it comes to the thing with healers, but this is one of those cases where trying to please everyone will please no one in the end.

    Assuming things get worse in terms of people abusing each other over whether healers DPS or not, the next step would be to force healers to play within their paradigm. That means stuff in dungeons, trials, story mode raids and savage raids hitting harder, debuffs that need to be removed being common-place, and MP conservation being a thing for healers. Granted, I believe we should already be going in that direction since 3.0, but better late than never.
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    * The sad thing is that FFXIV turned RDM into a turret, and people think that's what it's supposed to be. It's supposed to combine sword and magic into something more, not spend the bulk of gameplay spamming spells and jump into melee for only 3 GCDs before scurrying back to the back line like good little casters.
    * Design ideas:
    Red Mage - COMPLETE (https://tinyurl.com/y6tsbnjh), Chemist - Second Pass (https://tinyurl.com/ssuog88), Thief - First Pass (https://tinyurl.com/vdjpkoa), Rune Fencer - First Pass (https://tinyurl.com/y3fomdp2)

  7. #207
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    Rexipher Evergrey
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanitas View Post
    So it's ok to do half our job? As long as we do our primary role right? Well as long as I'm dealing dps I'll go ahead and SPAM true thrust from now on since dpsing is my primary role not how WELL i dps. That shouldn't matter as long as in attacking right? True thrust spam it is! This was very enlightening!
    I would actually say that a Healer that doesn't DPS and only heals keeping the party at full HP is doing a better primary role that a DPS doing only True Thrust.
    So in a way you would do a worse job than the non DPSing healer. Congratulations.
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  9. #208
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    Rexipher Evergrey
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitsuzen View Post
    I hope healers are dpsing, because my PLD is blowing defensive CDs, using cover, abusing clemency just for that very reason. In normal roulette there is very little for them left to heal, especially with SCH pet.
    If healers don't DPS I tend to ignore my defensive cooldowns. I like to provide my healer with more job that way. ^^
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  10. #209
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    Dhembryda Frydwilfwyn
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    Coeurl
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    Fisher Lv 100
    Tbh I think I'd fall asleep if I didn't DPS. I don't get how other healers can just stand around doing nothing until someone takes damage. It's so boring!
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  11. #210
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    Keiner Aeolux
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    Hyperion
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    Machinist Lv 80
    Not this type of thread again... Yoshi-P's stance on healer dd-ing is not new to us, as he has expressed the same sentiment in the past. It is not a "get-out-of-jail-free" card for healers.

    If party members do not need healing for an extended period of time, then there is no excuse for the healer to not at least try to, at minimum apply some dots.

    If I ever see a healer idling/jumping/emoting while the rest are busy finishing mobs off, neither the statement from Yoshi-P, nor the Twitterholic-Mr.Covfefe can save said healer from getting the boot. That's a guarantee.

    Cheers,
    D.
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