Yoshi P to Mr.Happy "Heal DPS is not mandatory and no expectation for Healer to DPS!"

[Lunaxia]

You are beeing childish.

How so? I'm only repeating what you and several other users have said. If being efficient is optional for healers, why not DPS? Why not tanks?

[Erys]

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Número 1: healer did nothing, casted 4-15 spells the whole run and afk'd the rest. The rest of the team contributed with probably a thousand of pulsations each.
Number 2: healer dps doesn't cut only 1 minute of time. And it's not only about the time, it's about making your tank and dps work far harder. Your tank will have to use more cooldowns if you don't dps, the dps will run out of offensive cooldowns and or resources; snowballing into the next pull being slower and bosses sloppier.
3: real life comparisons work. Even if this is a game there are 4 people in the team in dungeons. All 4 want to have fun. What is not fun for anyone is the extra stress from having to effort further because 1 crank in the engine is not spinning. And I use real life comparisons because english is not my mother tongue and it makes it easier for me to express myself.
4: it's also not mandatory for me to aoe, or use any skills at all. Autoattack will kill the mobs eventually.
And MOST IMPORTANT, number 5: I don't need perfect runs, don't want them either. I just want everyone in the run to put effort (not perfect effort, no one is perfect), and afk'ing is not putting effort, no matter how you slice it.
At least I'm happy that you tried to put a normal human being argument together. Thank you for tending a bridge between the two sides, I appreciate that *insert here thumbs up emoji*

[Rasylia]

No, that's being as lazy as healing only healers.
Why should bother myself providing my best for the duty while the special snowflakes is afk 80% of the time ?

My argument about everyone doing his job and you complete the dungeon is beeing ignored, and i face a childish "if they dont do what i say, i do nothing too"-arguement.

Honestly, if the healer heals, the tank tanks, and the dps ds's, you complete EVERY content out there (not talking about savage) easily.

THAT was my arguement.

If he only casts ruin, he isnt doign his job -> DPS-ing.

How is it okay for people to act childish when it comes to being FOR healer dps, but people who are AGAINST it are beein ridiculed?

[Evergrey]

How so? I'm only repeating what you and several other users have said. If being efficient is optional for healers, why not DPS? Why not tanks?

I think that's because the OP posted a comment about Yoshi saying "I firmly believe that it should not be mandatory(Healers DPSing) and we do not have the expectation for them to dps!".
He didn't say anything about Tanks or DPS.

And if I'm correct, the Tank DPS thing has already been a hot topic back when tanks could use DPS trinkets and whether or not it was a must for most efficient DPS output.
We know how that went, tanks got their own Tank only trinkets now.

[Cidel]

Looking forward to waking-up and seeing this thread argument on page 30 and beyond.

[Rasylia]

Stuff

#1 Contribution never mattered in this game.
#2 People keep saying "its okay to only do little damage, at least do dmg" so this isnt exactly applying.
#3 If you can only have fun if the other people do what you want them to do you are not really fit to play multiplayer games
#4 healer doing his job = healing
You doing your job = DPS-ing.
If healer doesnt heal = Blame him
If you dont properly DPS = Blame you.

Stop making weird comparisons.
If the healer doesnt dps (the extra thing) he is still doing his thing = healing.
If you stop doing proper dps, you arent doing your thing correctly anymore.

[alex4815162342]

If healer who don't dps are lazy how about dps who need their healer dps ?
You should be able to complete a fight (even savage and even minimum ilvl) without healer dps because the design isn't count on healer dps. If you can't maybe you aren't good enouth or maybe you are lazy !

[Lunaxia]

If he only casts ruin, he isnt doign his job -> DPS-ing.

But I am DPSing. I am dealing damage, as is expected of my class. Why does it affect you how other players do their jobs? The dungeon will be finished eventually, and that's all that matters, right?

[Mature]

When I next go into DF on my SMN, I'm just going to use Ruin. Nothing else. Just Ruin.

I mean, maximum efficiency is optional, right? Why does it matter if a run takes 30 minutes or 40 as long as it gets done? If you want a perfect run, you really shouldn't be using DF.

That's just a poor and a terrible example. Dps got rotations a healer HAS NOT.

DPS = pull damage
HEALER = pull heals

If the healer was given rotations to heal these convo would be different BUT the reason why healers hasn't got rotations if because it's needs to look after EIGHT MEMBERS or FOUR not just spamming cure 1 to one member. A healers got a hard job when it comes to raid.

So please think before throwing nonsense plus looking at your character I don't even know what you doing posting in this thread anyway

[Laerune]

If healer who don't dps are lazy how about dps who need their healer dps ?
You should be able to complete a fight (even savage and even minimum ilvl) without healer dps because the design isn't count on healer dps. If you can't maybe you aren't good enouth or maybe you are lazy !

This is one of the thngs that people need to discuss more about. The reason why healers need to dps is, because the average dps is underpreforming. Dont get me wrong, I believe that healers who are doing nothing, should contribute more, but low dps is a big problem.

SE acknowledged that low dps is a big issue, this is why they are revamping the battle system. I would not be suprised to see any need for healer dps in non raid content if the dps was doing decent damage.