Yoshi P to Mr.Happy "Heal DPS is not mandatory and no expectation for Healer to DPS!"

[Rasylia]

No, that's being as lazy as healing only healers.
Why should bother myself providing my best for the duty while the special snowflakes is afk 80% of the time ?

My argument about everyone doing his job and you complete the dungeon is beeing ignored, and i face a childish "if they dont do what i say, i do nothing too"-arguement.

Honestly, if the healer heals, the tank tanks, and the dps ds's, you complete EVERY content out there (not talking about savage) easily.

THAT was my arguement.

If he only casts ruin, he isnt doign his job -> DPS-ing.

How is it okay for people to act childish when it comes to being FOR healer dps, but people who are AGAINST it are beein ridiculed?

[Lunaxia]

If he only casts ruin, he isnt doign his job -> DPS-ing.

But I am DPSing. I am dealing damage, as is expected of my class. Why does it affect you how other players do their jobs? The dungeon will be finished eventually, and that's all that matters, right?

[Rasylia]

But I am DPSing. I am dealing damage, as is expected of my class. Why does it affect you how other players do their jobs? The dungeon will be finished eventually, and that's all that matters, right?

So the tank can spam flash, and the DPS smash people with their books. We agree on that. Let's go for 80 min duty o/

Basically what he said:

You still miss the part about me saying "If everyone does his job properly, the dungeon finishes easily".

Healer = Healing
Tank = Tanking
DPS = Dealing Damage

You demand this:


Healer = Healing + Dealing Damage
Tank = Tanking
DPS = Dealing Damage

Your "arguement" is that if #1 applies (everyone doing what he is supposed to do) you can also do this:

Healer = Healing
Tank = Tanking
DPS = Doing shit because he is a chilidish kid who doesnt want to dps if the healer doesnt dps.

But then not everyone is doing what he is supposed to do. But, apparently logic doesnt reach you.

[Watachy]

Healer = Healing
Tank = Tanking
DPS = Dealing Damage

You know that there is no need for heal every min in casual content right ?

Sounds like:
Healing only - jumping around
Tankingg - DPS while keeping aggro
DPS- dps

The entire game is designed in a way that everyone have to dps.

[Lunaxia]

utter drivel

Actually, what you're proposing is acceptable is this:

Tank: Constant aggro maintenance keeping enemies engaged
DPS: Constant damage output
Healer: Stands around flinging out a Cure every 30 seconds or so (less if they use regens)

What decent players expect (and strive for):

Tank: Constant aggro maintenance
DPS: Constant damage output
Healer: Constant casting (if healing is unnecessary, switch to Cleric)

My Ruin scenario is merely matching the DPS output to the healer's output in the first instance - the output several of you are trying to claim is comparable to the work the tank and DPS do.

[Rasylia]

Actually, what you're proposing is acceptable is this:

Tank: Constant aggro maintenance keeping enemies engaged
DPS: Constant damage output
Healer: Stands around flinging out a Cure every 30 seconds or so (less if they use regens)

What decent players expect (and strive for):

Tank: Constant aggro maintenance
DPS: Constant damage output
Healer: Constant casting (if healing is unnecessary, switch to Cleric)

My Ruin scenario is merely matching the DPS output to the healer's output in the first instance - the output several of you are trying to claim is comparable to the work the tank and DPS do.

Except for the very fact that what i am "proposing" is what lets you finish the dungeon easily. You do not need the Healer to dps. But its allright, considering all i get is sarcasm and childish responses i will stop arguing with people here. Enjoy beeing a unnecessary jerk towards people because of the fact that you think they are not doing enough / not worthy getting anything because they are not doing enough.

Also: I NEVER CLAIMED HEALERS ARE DOING EQUAL WORK. NEVER. I repeatedly said that YES Healers can dps to avoid downtime and to help the group. HOWEVER i always stood the point that its optional for people to decide THEMSELF - a right which you take away.

[Lunaxia]

pls

So if healers, in your opinion, aren't doing equal work, why would you not want or expect them to?

None of you have given any adequate reason whatsoever why a healer shouldn't DPS. If it's optional for them to be as efficient, why is the SMN example any different? What makes healers special snowflakes?

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Healer = Healing and dealing damage when there is nothing to heal
Tank = Tanking and maintain DPS
DPS = Dealing Damage and using appropriate utility when the situation calls for it

I fixed this for you.

[Arkdra]

You still miss the part about me saying "If everyone does his job properly, the dungeon finishes easily".

Healer = Healing
Tank = Tanking
DPS = Dealing Damage

This is wrong FYI. Here it is for real.

Healer = Finish the dungeon as fast as possible.
Tank = Finish the dungeon as fast as possible.
DPS = Finish the dungeon as fast as possible.
If you as a healer aren't dpsing then you aren't actually doing your job and I will trash-talk you in ls or fc chat the same as I would a threat-combo only tank or a dps who single targets in AE situations, even though both of them are technically doing their role, according to you. I won't vote kick you though, unless someone else triggers it anyway, and I also won't commend you ever since your job could have been done by a drinking apkallu and /follow. I fairly routinely com healers who go too ham on DPS and accidentally let people die though, at least an effort was made.

Funny how I almost never am left to die by a healer who is dpsing though, while the jerks who want to afk and watch netflix on their 2nd monitor are perfectly happy to watch me slowly die from unavoidable AE's and not do anything about it.

[Rasylia]

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Your problem (and a lot of other people have it as well) is that you only know extremes.